critiques would be appreciated.

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Not a good listening experience. Production is messy - clashing notes, everything competing to be heard, bad choice of sounds etc.

The bell was quite nice for the first 5 secs then that awful kick drum and the horrible synth sounds came in. You should at least tune the kick up a tone. That would certainly help.

i see you don't like black music. I will take your criticism with a grain of salt...or maybe an atom. Thanks but no thanks.

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i see you don't like black music. I will take your criticism with a grain of salt...or maybe an atom. Thanks but no thanks.

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Why make a moronic comment like that? "i see you don't like black music".

Love black music, hate crap music. But hey, you like it dude and that's all that matters.

Why bother asking for criticism if you don't actually want it? Maybe get your mum to review it then eh? Much safer.

maybe you should stick to sounds much safer. I have complete confidence in my sound. Hey, I can't help if its raw and unadultrated. With a name like Sea Lion I doubt we have much in common.

This is a wind-up right? "Please criticise my music but be aware that I can't help how it sounds and if you don't like it then you mustn't like black music."

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With a name like Sea Lion I doubt we have much in common.

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In terms of quality of music produced, you may well have a point.

whatever...anymore reviews or commentaries.

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I found it unpleasant to listen to, I'm afraid. There's some weird discordancy going on that puts me right off. Could just be me though - there's some jazz that I like that some people I know can't stand.

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I found it unpleasant to listen to, I'm afraid. There's some weird discordancy going on that puts me right off. Could just be me though - there's some jazz that I like that some people I know can't stand.

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Oh dear Gary, he won't like that. You must not like black music too.

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Oh dear Gary, he won't like that. You must not like black music too.

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It's true, I don't listen to any black music. Except for blues and jazz and ragtime and swing and rock 'n' roll and soul and funk and hip-hop. But that's it.

I like the arp at the end.

The sounds are really [ ****** ] though. The melody is OK, I thought.


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If you can get someone to pay grand for this then you deserve a medal (or they deserve a slap round the head) - arrangement and idea are fine in a generic way, but the sounds and mix are very poor. Can you imagine your 'raw and undultrated' sound competing with commercial releases in a club at 3am, grabbing folks attention, getting them on their feet to dance? You're going to have to use something other than a Casio home organ to be taken seriously.

Ken is right about the arp at the end - tidy.

Worth bearing in mind that coming on a forum as a newbie with 8 posts and making sweeping assumptions about posters you know nothing about gives the impression that you're a know nothing know all. But then you already knew that of course.

Edited by reid (31/05/10 06:04 AM)

I'd pay $1K for that song if I was a millionaire.

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cmon guys your being very harsh cut the guy some slack and dont critisice unless you can walk the talk you're self - i listened to it with alan last night and we really liked it and would certainly welciome the opportunity to do a collab - the beat has a def funkyness to it kind of reminded us of mr scruff kind of vibe but maybe could of done with some distoriton guitar and more high hat

to the op - dont let these few jelous forum members bring you down dude - i remember when we came on here we just got loads of abuse - it almost made us give up but like the famous saying goes 'even sir edward hilary started at the bottom of evrest' - and its true if you think about it

then when 'only u' got in the top 10 on souncilck (in the whole of the acosutic section) they were laughing on the other side of they're faeces then

its like one of the things about this forum you have to earn respect i think because they're are alot of top pros on here and i mean alot - speaking for ourselfs we only earnt that respect once we did the christmas single and gave some of the proceds to charity (aa - because they got the metro going in impossible cirmustanses)

good luck and dont give up - oh and i too loved the arp at the end

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I'm afraid I have to agree with the comments above. Nasty clashing sounds, very repetitive and boring, poor sound choices. Very basic overall.

Not bad if it is your first attempt at a song.

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I will take your criticism with a grain of salt...or maybe an atom.

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You can't have an atom of salt. It is a chemical compound.

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i see you don't like black music. I will take your criticism with a grain of salt...or maybe an atom. Thanks but no thanks.

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Why make a moronic comment like that? "i see you don't like black music".

Love black music, hate crap music. But hey, you like it dude and that's all that matters.

Why bother asking for criticism if you don't actually want it? Maybe get your mum to review it then eh? Much safer.

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It's a shame the OP had to respond in this manner to Sea Lion's critical appraisal. There's a simple way to look at this, in my humble opinion: If you're going to put your music in the public domain and then court people's views and opinions, it's absolutely necessary to accept that others may not like your creation. I've put my music on to websites and it's been called everything from crap to great. If I were to respond defensively to those who have made negative remarks, then I would lose both credibility and worse, my dignity.

To slyly infer some kind of racism on Sea Lion's part is really out of order.

Moving on to your track:

There are parts in it which are really original, and unusual. The chords are dissonant, but edgy, and like other posters, I like the bell riff. However, it is very badly produced. All the elements are fighting for attention, and it ends up sounding very in-cohesive and grating. It's also extremely repetitive and a bit boring. If you analyze a lot of hip hop, on the surface it sounds simple but there is a lot of "ear candy". Unfortunately, points of interest and variety are totally absent on this track. It just sounds like a load of loops carelessly thrown on top of each other, with no consideration given to how each element interacts.

I wouldn't have put a track into the public domain in such an unfinished state. Finally, the $1000 price tag you have put on this track is refreshingly naiive, and I admire your self-confidence.

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Finally, the $1000 price tag you have put on this track is refreshingly naiive, and I admire your self-confidence.

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According to his other post he's apparently sold 100 at 1k a time.

C'mon fellas, this is a very funny wind up. No way is this guy for real

Maybe we're all getting the wrong end of the stick. He says (quote): "I have been making music for 12 years and have sold over 100 tracks, 1000 a pop".

I think he means 1000 pence.

That still means he's made 10 grand from tunes like this, which i surely doubt.

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Colin - one of your very finest spelling juxtapositions, but maybe in this case the additional 'e' was entirely deliberate ? Excellent, keep it up.

Back OT - for me too, the OP's tune is nothing I particularly get off on, but you can't expect everyone to like everything. But it's also true that one of the best things to develop in this industry is a delicate balance between having a very thick skin, able to deflect the worst of idiot (sometimes) criticism, and also the understanding to realize that sometimes those critics do have a point- and therefore allow you the ability to get some level of objectivity about both your music and your production of it, and therefore some possibility of improving it.

Years (and years) ago, when I was touting my attempts round labels, one A&R guy did me the great favour of telling me just exactly where and how my music was "... basically ... it's incompetent [ ****** ], man. The production is all over the place, way too much bass, and the ideas and sounds are ... pedestrian. I can't sell this to anyone. Come back in 5 years, though ..."

As it happens, 5 years later the label was deceased ... (too much success, too early, followed by too much cocaine. Cue downward spiral into bankruptcy ... but that's another story) - but having been sent off with a clap round the ear I went back, furious, and jacked up my expectations of my own music and didn't emerge until I had something that genuinely matched them (and got a deal with it ...)

Simply writing off other people's genuine and considered responses to your music as something to be completely ignored - just because you don't like those responses - is to learn absolutely bugger all, about music in general, your music, and yourself.

It's certainly not going to help you make better music.

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OMG is this guy serious?? I checked his other posts, he has a really big head... for nothing......
I've heard thousands of better tracks!!!

Plus if he can't handle criticism, I dont know how he manage to live from that... You asked for criticism you got it! Everyone is different so don't expect everyone to like your music...(specially this track, do you seriously think music publisher would be interested... lol). And I'm not talking about the mixing and mastering, I do have songs that are not mixed or mastered, that's not the most important when you post your music here. I'm talking about the melody, the sounds you used (the telephone part reminded me of an episode of "Friends" when Ross doing "music" with his old keyboard)...

Very general MIDI generic sounding, i.e. amateurish. Did you actually play this or assemble from samples??

The drum groove is unimaginative and lacking in feel and the drum sound is weak.

The overall arrangement is far too busy, too many elements competing for the same space. Start with a decent groove, a funky bass and build from there and use some cool sounding synths not General midi sounds off your laptop!

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Nice answer

Actually, a grain of salt is quite a nice concept - two nasty elements, sodium and chlorine, combining to form a compound essential to life on this planet. A message in there for us, probably.

I usually avoid negative comments about other peoples music because music is subjective in its nature. Personally I didn't enjoy it, I felt it musically didn't do anything for me and the mix was not to a professional yet alone semi professional standard. The debate on "black music" is irrelevant and if it were I wonder why you called it a Ke$ha type beat cause the last time I checked she wasn't black. Anyway my advice to you is take on the criticism and try and better yourself

Good luck in your future

Black music? Black music is usually in time.

Chhers to this old thread. The music was terrible and must have been made to have a blast yelling at anyone trying to comment it. Listning fatigue kicked in with the ... kick. after 6 secs. And it never left. At least not until i left at 12:04. Secs that is.

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Chhers to this old thread.

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It may be old but it cheered my night up!

Really miss Colin S. Please come back!

sounds like a trumpet is having sex with a talking elmo doll - and the elmo doll isnt a consenting party.

i wouldnt call this "black music" id call it "abrasive noise" - i dont know where you even pulled the term "black music" from, it seems counter intuitive and detrimental to society to categorise something of this calibre in such a way.

man, you need to do more with your sounds... im getting all experimental atm myself but tbh you need to work on structure, melody, and post production FX/mixing/mastering.

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I agree with "it's general MIDI generic sounding" but if he posted this, would you guys say the same?

Dr Dre

or is it because Dre is established and has sold 100's of millions of records that you can't critique it. Then again the Spice girls sold millions, and can't sing, but that's a different argument!!

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sounds like a trumpet is having sex with a talking elmo doll - and the elmo doll isnt a consenting party.

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That critique had me almost wetting myself, and I haven't even heard the track in question!

Edit : after hearing it, it couldn't be any more accurate, either!!!

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Actually, a grain of salt is quite a nice concept - two nasty elements, sodium and chlorine, combining to form a compound essential to life on this planet. A message in there for us, probably.

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I know it's an old thread BUT.......'two nasty elements' Thats WORSE than racism