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necromunger



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waldorf wave
      #878892 - 02/12/10 08:27 PM
would one of these be a wise investment? been looking for one for ages and now there is one in the readers adds.

only problem is he wants 6k for it

is it worth that and what whould it be worth in say 10 years time as a ruff gess.


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BJG145



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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #878984 - 03/12/10 09:12 AM
That's a tricky one, and I should say in advance I know very little about this instrument so it's just speculation. Looks beautiful. Seems that's close to the original RRP (quoted as £5000+VAT unexpanded in SOS July 94.) A US one was apparently offered for about £4500 in 2006, then dropped to £3800, and didn't sell (see below).

Synth price hikes have mostly been associated with analogue gear in the past, and even then things have often only inflated to around the original RRP. For instance, the Jupiter 8 was originally listed at £4000, and although second-hand prices have shot up in the last few years, that's probably about what they're worth now. The Wave is a rare and great-looking instrument though, so it's anyone's guess what it will be worth in 10 years.

My guess is that this is probably the maximum you'd expect to pay for a Wave. There aren't many synths that list at £6K, and I don't think you could call it a bargain. But, someone might buy it, and you never know when you'll see another, so it's a bit of a gamble. I might consider it if I was hell-bent on getting one and could afford it, but I wouldn't buy it as an investment at that price; not when you could get a Prophet VS, say, for £1200.

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/07/waldorf-wave-still-for-sale.html


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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #878991 - 03/12/10 09:33 AM
PPG Wave V3.0

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BJG145



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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #878994 - 03/12/10 09:42 AM
Cool, I was just thinking about the good ol' PPG. Never got on with V2, but that looks nice.


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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #878996 - 03/12/10 09:47 AM
Loved the PPGs. I had the Waveterm B and it made me moist.

The Wave is like owning a Veron.

I was after a black Wave with the 4 voice option at a time when the Waves were being built to order out of Germany. Turdkey contacted me and said they had one. I specified colour and expansion and they told me they had a mint one i stock.
I drove down, spent the mandatory year finding a parking space and selling my left nut to fund the meter. I walked and was directed to the abode of the Wave. It was a blue Wave, no expansion and it was in pieces on the floor. I can't recall if I hit the salesman but that ended my Wave dream.

TBH, so many of today's vintage gear is so pricey that 6 gees is not far off some of the second hand prices of other collectors synths.

If I had kept my synths and sold them now I could pay off my mortgage. I had some select bits of gear: 2500, 2600, System 100, Memory Moog, Prophet, Model D, Dataton 300, EMS Polysynth, SH3/5/7, DX1, Xpander, Matrix, OB8/Xa, Sem etc.....

So, the question is: do you need one, are you married or do you need to attract muso tech babes or are you a slut like the rest os us and want to own a piece of synth porn that will always make you moist?

FWIW, if Martin would loan me the money and I didn't care about what it could do I would buy one in a heartbeat simple because I want to.

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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: Zukan]
      #879002 - 03/12/10 10:01 AM
Quote Zukan:

I had some select bits of gear: 2500, 2600, System 100, Memory Moog, Prophet, Model D, Dataton 300, EMS Polysynth, SH3/5/7, DX1, Xpander, Matrix, OB8/Xa.



(I'd never heard of a couple of these. The Polysynthi looks amazing. And what the heck is a Dataton?)


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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879005 - 03/12/10 10:16 AM




The company had a huge line of modules but went bust so I could only expand to the degree that you see in the pics.

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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879006 - 03/12/10 10:22 AM
Okay, I'm in the mood now:

















Okay, I think enough blagging for now..........

There are so many more that I would need a thread of my own just to upload the pics. But then again, most of the guys here have tons of sh1t. HS would have his own collection as would Dave B...

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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879009 - 03/12/10 10:33 AM
(Cheers, nice collection Zukan...)


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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879010 - 03/12/10 10:38 AM
I restored most of those with the help of James Walker.

I remember we spent weeks and 80 squids just to get the knobs on the system 100 sequencer redesigned to the correct specs. Mind you, it did look lovely.
The Solus killed me as I had to take out the entire bus bar (unsoldering blah blah) and getting new 2 hair contacts to replace the existing ones. Sounded great later.
The OB8 was also serviced and I changed the screws on the side panels with new gold screws. I know, I know, anal, but you know how it is with us sluts...
I did the same for my 303s and 909s. Had custom strips made for them with new knob and plates and they looked fantastic.

Why am I going on about all this?

Necro, really sorry for hijacking m8. Shall cease immediately.

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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: Zukan]
      #879057 - 03/12/10 01:18 PM
Oooh. A Moog System 15. You bastard! Always wanted one of those.

Had a 2600 myself (the original, not the orange one) and a Solus - I've never met anyone who even knew about that synth, let alone had one.

I don't lust after any of the stuff now, not when you can get this, brand new, for around £1,700...



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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879059 - 03/12/10 01:23 PM
You tried any of the Macbeth's HS?

I was going to get Tony to build me a specific modular at Oakley but never got round to it.

Just to piddle you off a tad, I had the Grey Meanie as well.....muhahahaha...

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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: Zukan]
      #879060 - 03/12/10 01:34 PM
Quote Zukan:

You tried any of the Macbeth's HS?



Only briefly. Nice

Quote Zukan:

Just to piddle you off a tad, I had the Grey Meanie as well.....muhahahaha...



Ha!

Can't justify it, can't afford it, don't need it but I could make a fool of myself if either of these came my way at the right price...





I cut my teeth on those as a teenager!

Sigh!

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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879061 - 03/12/10 01:36 PM
Yeah. I'm on the same page m8. Either will do. Played on the Synthi and loved it.

But if Martin would loan the money he never promised I would use it to buy a Buchla.........

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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: Zukan]
      #879104 - 03/12/10 03:47 PM
looks like I'm going to have to pass on this one, just cant afford it at the moment unless i sell my genelec 1038s which ain't going to happen.

i do want one as an instrument tho rather than an investment, lets just hope there not 3 times the price of this one in 10 years time.


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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879544 - 06/12/10 04:57 AM
I would love a Wave myself & almost bought one a few times when they were going for about half price, ( when I had the cash) but I went for a Prophet VS instead.
When I was researching the merits of the Wave, I was interested to note that a few people who had spent time with Waves & Microwave 2s/ XTs, reported that they were very similar in sound & range of sound & that the Wave wasn't really any more impressive sonically, despite it having analogue filters & user defined wave usage.
I have the XT & love it, but I would still seek out & buy a Wave if I had the spare cash, its just such an inspiring looking instrument.


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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879549 - 06/12/10 07:49 AM
Zukan, nice collection! I've never seen the series-100 sequencer before, and are those speakers, wow! I was wasn't even born yet when they were new, so I have an excuse
Actually I used to work in a synth shop which specialized in the classic Japanese gear. Your things look fantastic, I can tell you take great care of them.

Back on topic:
Necromunger, as other people have said it's so hit or miss what will be valuable. Unfortunately I only see vintage synths depreciating, except maybe for certain nostalgic collectors. Selling such niche items for top dollar (or pound, sorry I'm a Knickerbocker ) is going to take a lot of time and effort.


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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: necromunger]
      #879698 - 06/12/10 04:23 PM
Some beautiful gear there Zukan - I notice nobody's mentioned the reverse key Poly 800 though...

I narrowly missed a Solus a while back and bought a CS-15 instead. Later, I just missed out on a System 100 keyboard, so bought a near-minty SH-09 to console myself.

I've mostly got over synth GAS and have moved onto recording chain GAS now, though I do still find myself accidentally ending up with stuff. A whole other world of pain to get stuck into!

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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: nathanscribe]
      #879761 - 06/12/10 08:22 PM
Quote nathanscribe:

I've mostly got over synth GAS and have moved onto recording chain GAS now, though I do still find myself accidentally ending up with stuff.



Accidentally? Ah, so that's how you explain it to the missus!

"Hey love, it's been a strange day, I accidentally lost a large wad of cash from my wallet... But a few minutes later, I found this in the boot of the car!"


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Re: waldorf wave new [Re: Shreddie]
      #879810 - 07/12/10 12:02 AM
Pretty much...

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