Quick search on the web and I found this in a guide to vocal mixing- all seems much simpler now.

"..... It is highly important to EQ first using this setting :

Cut 200 Hz (high pass filter)= -6dB
Boost 3000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB
Boost 15000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB

Take note that if you take the summation of cut and boost, it is literally equal to zero, it cut 6dB and I boost 6dB. So only EQ effect overall, the frequency response change, NOT the volume."

Think I might cancel my copy of Mike's book, probably don't need it now

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Andi, www.thedustbowl.net Mixing, Mastering, Audio Editing at The Dustbowl Audio

Damn, this is it. This is what I've been missing.

All my mixes just slot into place now. Gotta make this setting in a "Mo' Betterizer" plugin quick and rake it in before everyone else discovers it..!

Hey!! You aren't being fair here Andi....

Teasing us all with a few hints from the web, but keeping the URL to yourself. I bet there are a few more HOT tips and mix essentials you found on that site that would benefit us all..

Come on mate, give us the real deal, not just the tempters

Andy

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Hey!! You aren't being fair here Andi....

Teasing us all with a few hints from the web, but keeping the URL to yourself. I bet there are a few more HOT tips and mix essentials you found on that site that would benefit us all..

Come on mate, give us the real deal, not just the tempters

Andy

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Google is your friend!
http://www.audiorecording.me/tips-on-how-to-mix-vocals-and-put-some-effect s-like-a-professional.html

That's ridiculous, all the professionals round here know that:

Cut 190Hz by -5.8 dB
Boost 3150Hz by 3.2dB
Boost 25000Hz by 2.8dB

Why can't these people get it right.

Oh this is regardless of the mic, preamp, vocalist, or whether the power is turned on or off.

The SOS lads should really stick to basics IMHO - plug it in, switch it on, trawl the net.................

Bob

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Doesn't this fool know that you use EQ to make things louder when you can't push the faders up any higher and there's no make-up gain left on the compressor?

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it's not "louder", Steve. It's "betterer". Don't you understand grandmer?

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Cut 200 Hz (high pass filter)= -6dB
Boost 3000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB
Boost 15000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB

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Shhh! Not so loud! Everyone'll find out...

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Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio
A complete mixing method based around the techniques of the world's most famous producers.

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Cut 200 Hz (high pass filter)= -6dB
Boost 3000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB
Boost 15000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB

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Shhh! Not so loud! Everyone'll find out...

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Ha!

So at lasst, Senor Senior, I haf yor seecret and viz zis I shall take over ze VOOORRLLD!

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Ohm's Law states, "Your PA isn't as powerful as you think it is".

Oh I've been doing it wrong. I always thought the secret to good mixing was: Green light, green light, green light, yellow light. Ooh red light! better turndown a bit.

Bloody Hell Wombat - I was going to turn that into a bestseller!

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Andi, www.thedustbowl.net Mixing, Mastering, Audio Editing at The Dustbowl Audio

I'm just reading the comments on that blog.

My god...



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11011110110010101111 - 110000001111111111101110 - 101110101101
Hexadecimal binary coding anyone?

"Believe it or not, a vocal does not need serious effects like other instruments."

SNAP. See i've always been concerned with getting a really good sound before I even touch an EQ. What a fool! All I need are some serious effects .

I might even make my own plug in range called SERIOUS EFFECTS. Watch out UA, you've been way off the mark!

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I might even make my own plug in range called SERIOUS EFFECTS.

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I'd buy that.

Seriously.

Oh man I just tried it.

That problem track I'd been working on has just been signed and they've given me a £1,000,000 advance.

Then I won the lottery for this Saturday before it was even drawn.

Popped down the shop for a pint of milk and Jessica Alba is working part time there and she wants to go out on a date. Told the wife and she's fine with it.

And then I won a Neve 88 desk but I think I might send it back as I don't really need it now I know this.

Thanks for the tip it really has made everything better...wow

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Left Hand, Right Hand, it doesn't matter. I'm Amphibious!

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Doesn't this fool know that you use EQ to make things louder when you can't push the faders up any higher and there's no make-up gain left on the compressor?

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My thanks for that. As a folky I get all these unaccompanied solo singers to record and I could never make my recordings loud enough for them. Now I'll be able to make them put a finger in both ears.

CC

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Put the fun back into dysfunctional.
Mr Punch's Studio

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First Principle: A greatly recorded vocals will make it very easy to professionally produced recorded vocals.

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http://www.mixcrate.com/richieroyale

I'm really feeling 'To my two Little Rats'

To my two little rats
I understand
That you live with us now
And you can't talk but you have a sense of smell
To my two little rats
You're free to live with me
You're life is like a man?
And you can't talk but you have a sense of smell
To my two little rats, to my little to my two two little etc.
You're free to live, free to live, free to live in my room
Stay away of cats outside
To my two little rats you eat my shirts and fans
And you ask to apologise
But you woken up but you're shy to look at me
Two little, to to my little, to my little rats etc.
You're free to live, free to live, free to live in my room
Come and play in my room at night
I enjoy you watching a light
Rolling in my ? at night
I'm afraid to let you go just because I love you so
Two little, to to my little, to my little rats etc.

I always thought the "universal improving eq" frequency was 1kHz, lol.

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Guys you've got it all wrong!! This guy from the confidence-inspiring "expert village" will tell you how to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpkal_Pww-s&feature=related

Just remember 2 things, "don't put more than 4 on the compression" and "you might want to add a little EQ"

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This is all total Audio Gold to me.
Frankly, what is your favourite frequency ?
Mine is 6.3Khz.
But I am 65.

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I am the Walrus.

"you need to cut down the fat bass frequencies at 400 Hz"

Is it me or the wine I've been drinking?

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"you need to cut down the fat bass frequencies at 400 Hz"

Is it me or the wine I've been drinking?

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Didn't you hear? (Pun definitely intended) 400hz is the new 40hz!

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Frankly, what is your favourite frequency ?

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Twice a week.

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Frankly, what is your favourite frequency ?

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Twice a week.

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That's the saddest of all frequencies...

It's better than once a year on your birthday Desmond.............oh, we still on about frequencies?

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Stretch That Note

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It's better than once a year on your birthday Desmond.............oh, we still on about frequencies?

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So now we know why you are so excited about your forthcoming birthday

Andy

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Stretch That Note

Welcome back OT

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Google is your friend!
http://www.audiorecording.me/tips-on-how-to-mix-vocals-and-put-some-effect s-like-a-professional.html

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madtheory creations
Synths and pianos for Kontakt

We shouldn't be taking the piss from this gent
He comes from Cebu in the Phillipines.
I've been there in a Cyclone that destroyed the city.
Our concrete Hotel was one of the few remaining buildings.
He means well
P'raps he could do the Newbies Page......

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I am the Walrus.

Where he's from should not be a factor.

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madtheory creations
Synths and pianos for Kontakt

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We shouldn't be taking the piss from this gent
He comes from Cebu in the Phillipines.
I've been there in a Cyclone that destroyed the city.
Our concrete Hotel was one of the few remaining buildings.
He means well
P'raps he could do the Newbies Page......

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Actually, read the whole site. He's got some sensible things to say. His girlfriend/wife sings nicely. And at least he isn't gear-obsessed.

Agreed - some of it gets lost in translation (like an early 1980s Roland manual). His heart is in the right place and I suspect he's done some good work.

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Dynamite with a laser beam...

I'm glad i'm not the only one who felt sorry for this bloke, also english is clearly not his first language.

Just a little naive and i doubt anybody is going to see that site and take it as gospel.

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We shouldn't be taking the piss from this gent
He comes from Cebu in the Phillipines.
I've been there in a Cyclone that destroyed the city.
Our concrete Hotel was one of the few remaining buildings.
He means well
P'raps he could do the Newbies Page......

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I originally didn't post a link deliberately - his English is a heck a lot better than my Filipino and to my mind isn't a matter for micky-taking. I'm pretty sure the laws of physics still apply there though?!? Anyway, I just had my copy of Mike-let's-make-it-all-seem-really-complicated (so-called)-Senior's book which appears to be full of some nonsense about actually "listening" to stuff - so I'm sticking with my man and his simple to follow instructions!

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Andi, www.thedustbowl.net Mixing, Mastering, Audio Editing at The Dustbowl Audio

OK, his English is better than my Filipino, but still...

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I'm pretty sure the laws of physics still apply there though?!?

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actually "listening" to stuff

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madtheory creations
Synths and pianos for Kontakt

I might have said before but I don't eq anything, depends what sound you want.

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I might have said before but I don't eq anything, depends what sound you want.

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You actually eq everything by your choice of room, microphone and mic placement. It seems pointless to treat a bit of knob-twiddling as a thing apart.

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I might have said before but I don't eq anything, depends what sound you want.

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You actually eq everything by your choice of room, microphone and mic placement. It seems pointless to treat a bit of knob-twiddling as a thing apart.

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He said 'knob twiddling' heh heh heh. Your anwser proves that I am the besterest!