Hi -

I have recorded a MIDI piano, and then fixed some timing errors by adjusted the tempo track (using TimeWarp in Cubase 6).

Then on another track I recorded another MIDI part, some horns. I noticed these were a played with a bit of poor timing as well, and I'd like to tidy them up.

My problem is, I don't know how to do that without messing up the TimeWarped=perfect timing of the piano. Meaning, if I adjust the tempo track to make the horns sound good, my piano will go out of time again.

Is there any way to "dissociate" the piano MIDI part from the tempo track at this point, so I can apply TimeWarp to the horn track without altering the timing of the MIDI pianotrack?

Or, do I just need to render the piano part to audio so I can do TimeWarp on the horns?

Thanks in advance! :-)

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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1

Sorry, I should have mentioned that both MIDI parts (initial piano part, and the subsequent horn part) are "freely played", i.e., no click track. The timing fixes I made to the piano track, and that I want to make to the horn track, aren't to completely flatten the tempo variations, but just to make them more "musical".

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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1

I'm no longer a Cubase user but it'll be something like, build a tempo map, quantise, apply some manner of groove thang.

Bob's yer Auntie Anne.

(I can expand on this if nobody comes up with a better idea).

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Ohm's Law states, "Your PA isn't as powerful as you think it is".

Switch off 'Musical' mode on the piano track and it will ignore the tempo track.

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Quote The Elf:

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Switch off 'Musical' mode on the piano track and it will ignore the tempo track.

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Hello, The Elf! Thank you for answering. I was under the impression though that "Musical Mode" was only for audio clips, not MIDI parts ... I'll have to check when I get back to my DAW.

But ... you got me thinking ... maybe if I put my Piano MIDI track to "linear timebase" it would "stay put" even if I change my tempo track ...? Uggh, that's too hard to think through right now ... I'll need to try that out as well next time I get to my DAW.

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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1

Quote shufflebeat:

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I'm no longer a Cubase user but it'll be something like, build a tempo map, quantise, apply some manner of groove thang.

Bob's yer Auntie Anne.

(I can expand on this if nobody comes up with a better idea).

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Hi Shufflebeat - I'm so sorry, when I replied to The Elf yesterday, I must have had temporary blindness, because I absolutely didn't see your response!

Thanks for your answer. I think it's a good one, but in this case the groove thang I'd like on the track isn't even close to a Cubase-supplied one - there is a fair amount of non-trivial slowing down and speeding up in the track. So, I'll need to adjust the tempo track by hand.

For any and all - the main question I have is whether it is conceptually even possible to dissociate MIDI from its "tempo track", or the equivalent, irrespective of which DAW is being used ... whether it can be toggled to ignore the project tempo ... or (conversely) whether MIDI inherently "needs" to follow some project timing code.

If anyone can say how to do that in Cubase, that would be wonderful! No worries otherwise.

I'm wondering if I should just stop trying to jam a square peg into a round hole - whether it's time to just render the basic backing Piano MIDI track to audio and move on!

Thanks!

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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1

Hi -

Anyone else? Wrong forum ... wrong question?

Thanks! :-)

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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1

Did you try my suggestion? If you set a MIDI track to 'Linear' I believe it ignores the tempo track. You may need to bounce the piano part somehow to 'fix' its timing as it is now though.

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Quote The Elf:

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Did you try my suggestion? If you set a MIDI track to 'Linear' I believe it ignores the tempo track. You may need to bounce the piano part somehow to 'fix' its timing as it is now though.

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Thanks, The Elf. As you suggested in your 1st post, I did try to look for a toggle to set the basic piano MIDI track out of Musical Mode, but found that Musical Mode is a term that only applies to audio. I see now that you meant "Musical Time Base" (vs "... Mode"), that should have been obvious to me, sorry!

I will go and set the basic piano MIDI track to "Linear Time Base" and give it a go. That sounds like an excellent idea ... thanks!

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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1

If you toggle off the yellow musical note, that will remove the link from the tempo track. This applies to MIDI and audio.

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Quote Richie Royale:

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If you toggle off the yellow musical note, that will remove the link from the tempo track. This applies to MIDI and audio.

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Thanks also, Richie Royale. I wish I had thought of doing what you and The Elf suggested

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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1