We don't normally permit links to ebay auctions on these forums, but I feel this is of sufficient interest, and in a very good cause, that I'm bending the rule slightly on this occasion.

Mahoobley is auctioning his late father's Yamaha NS-1000M speakers on ebay. The relevant post is here:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160571645685#ht_7 65wt_1139

The proceeds will be going to the Shooting Star Children's Hospice, an organisation that his father worked for during his retirement.

The NS-1000M was developed in the same series of products that gave us the NS-10, and shares similar design philosophies including a sealed cabinet. However, these three-way mid-field speakers have a substantially better bass extension and were very hghly regarded speakers in their day -- and still are highly thought of today, although relatively rare.

Hugh

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Thanks very much for this Hugh - most appreciated!

Though I should add, the money I get from this sale will be added on to the money I raise for a rather daunting bike ride I'm doing in a few weeks - details of which are in the link in my signature below. If anyone is feeling generous but doesn't need / get the speakers, feel free to make a donation on the linked page

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a rare and fabulous classic, and a good cause..... (and condolences )

fantastic pair of speakers...
i got my pair a while back otherwise i would be bidding too.

according to some (our own Phil Ward as well if i remember correctly) probably the best pair of speakers ever made.

hope it raises a lot for your good cause.

Sid

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according to some (our own Phil Ward as well if i remember correctly) probably the best pair of speakers ever made.

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That's quite a claim! In a Danish lager sort of way.

Now I have a dilemma. I was going to base my embryonic new studio on my retro Tannoy Little Reds (with possibly a smidgeon of sub from a Genelec 7070A), but this has got me thinking...

Well done on the charity thing too.

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That's quite a claim! In a Danish lager sort of way.
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but this has got me thinking...

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i kind of remember Phil Ward writing that he would sell his grandmother for a pair.

and if i remember right you've got a Bryston amp too Steve.
well, that is a match made in heaven.

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fantastic pair of speakers...
i got my pair a while back otherwise i would be bidding too.

according to some (our own Phil Ward as well if i remember correctly) probably the best pair of speakers ever made.

hope it raises a lot for your good cause.

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Damn, I'm not too late to cancel the auction and keep them for myself, am I?

Only joking

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Only acceptable method of payment on this ebay auction is cash upon collection or paypal. I will NOT accept payment in the form of human beings, grandmothers or otherwise.

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Thanks very much for this Hugh - most appreciated!

Though I should add, the money I get from this sale will be added on to the money I raise for a rather daunting bike ride I'm doing in a few weeks - details of which are in the link in my signature below. If anyone is feeling generous but doesn't need / get the speakers, feel free to make a donation on the linked page

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I might bump into you - Doing LEJOG at about the same time.

so none of my kids in PX then??

Hm. A bit OT, but are the Yamaha NS244s any good ? My mate left an old pair lying around the office. Never plugged them in ....

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I think Jez has met your kids actually mate.

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Do ebay/paypal do anything for genuine charity sales? Such as waive or reduce the fees? Seems unfair that a kids hospice will lose such a lot of money. They are not short of a few quid.

Good show BTW! If they don't sell I will email you for a second chance offer ;o)

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I think Jez has met your kids actually mate.

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I'm not sure I understood any of that exchange.

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Do ebay/paypal do anything for genuine charity sales? Such as waive or reduce the fees? Seems unfair that a kids hospice will lose such a lot of money. They are not short of a few quid.

Good show BTW! If they don't sell I will email you for a second chance offer ;o)

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I think they don't if they have an arrangement already set up with the charity. When you set up the auction, you can choose from a big list of charities to donate the money to, but the one I'm doing this for wasn't on that list. I've dropped ebay an email regarding it but I don't expect to get anything other than a scripted response.

For the sake of a few quid, I can live with it - especially considering that the bidding has already far exceeded my expectations!

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I'm not sure I understood any of that exchange.

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I think Idris was hoping to exchange some of his children for the speakers. I was implying that you might be unwilling having had first hand experience of them en masse.

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For the sake of a few quid, I can live with it - especially considering that the bidding has already far exceeded my expectations!

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I think you'll find it is more than a few quid! Check out the ebay and paypal fees in their entirety - it is daylight buggery! "Well... sell them elsewhere then..."... but seriously it isn't cheap. Out of principle you should avoid paying them IMO.

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thats my bid out the window...

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Oh right sorry I didn't know what 'PX' meant

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Just a reminder that the auction ends at 10pm TONIGHT!

Although I understand people's reluctance to attempt to outbid the current clearly determined high bidder - remember it is all for chariddy

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I think you'll find it is more than a few quid! Check out the ebay and paypal fees in their entirety - it is daylight buggery! "Well... sell them elsewhere then..."... but seriously it isn't cheap. Out of principle you should avoid paying them IMO.

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I quite agree, I refuse to use Paypal either as buyer or seller. I won't bid on anything where Paypal is the only acceptable method of payment.

They are thieving wotsits.

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I used to feel like that until I started going along to the musical instrument auctions at the local auction house. They charge the vendor 15% commission, + VAT. They also charge the buyer 15% of the hammer price, + VAT. So, say something sells for £100. The vendor gets £82 (though if VAT registered they can claim back £3). The buyer pays £118 (claiming back £3 if they're VAT registered). Gardner Houlgate get £30 clear. Compared to that eBay with Paypal are almost cheap!

That's not to say I enjoy paying their fees or like the way they shuffle them around from time to time to disguise increases (and I hate the way their auction format encourages sniping, it would be so easy to cure). But they are a whole lot cheaper than other auction routes.

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Yes, but buyers' premiums are and have been part of the auction scene for decades, so prices find a level taking the premium into account.

With eBay you can still have a negotiation. Volunteer to pay stupid fees to eBay (owners of Paypal), or trust purchasers who eschew the whole sordid, nepotistic, rip-off conspiracy and will e.g. talk about an internet bank credit.

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Quick update. This has turned into a bit of a nightmare. Will fill everyone in when the smoke clears.

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Right.

Winning bidder made a very large bid very early on in the auction, in fact it appeared I believe before this thread was posted.

Won the auction for £820.

After winning, he admitted he didn't plan on bidding so much and didn't have the money right now. Alarm bells. Should have cancelled it there and then.

Winning bidder was keen on me sending additional photos of the condition of the item, wanted it to be aesthetically perfect. Really should have done this BEFORE bidding BEFORE the auction ended! Photos were sent.

Winner arrived with van following weekend having not looked at the photos. Complained there were scuffs on the corners I hadn't mentioned in the auction (to be fair I was more interested in detailing the performance quality rather than the box quality) and demanded a 10% reduction, which I grudgingly did. He paid via Paypal which cost me an additional £25. Paypal have not responded to requests to waive this fee as it was for charity. Took them back.

Worth mentioning I wasn't physically present during the exchange - the speakers were at my mother's house in London, I was at my home in Nottingham.

A day later he sends another email saying he's noticed additional scratches and wants another £100 back or he'll bring them back. Being fed up already and having had other offers I say bring them back then and I'll refund you. I'll even give him the full payment back and take the £25 paypal hit as I'd rather have them back and give them to someone more deserving.

He does not reply to my email, nor to another one sent a week later asking for his decision.

Today I sent him a final email saying having not heard back from him I will consider our business complete, that he wishes to keep the speakers at the price paid, and I am not interested in any further communication.

Feel pretty crappy after all this. Feel messed around by someone when I was selling the speakers for CHARITY. These speakers were my fathers and I feel I would have liked them to go to a deserving home, which I don't feel that they have.

Also strongly suspect the purchaser plans to sell them on at a profit. If anyone sees a pair of NS1000s for sale from a company called My Audio Design (MAD England) you now know the story behind them.

Anyway, thanks to Paul and the team and everyone who was interested but didn't get a chance to bid due to this man! Thanks to those who made alternative offers after things went pear shaped and thanks to those who made a donation to my fundraiser! I have at still made about £720 which is still a very good amount I think! Lesson learned - only use Ebay after considering all other options!

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That's a sorry story. There are some miserable, slimy idiots out there, some of whom I've encountered myself on both the bidding and selling sides.

The buyers who are going to be trouble are invariably the ones who send a question after having won the auction - it always means trouble. I had one 'lady' who bought a laptop PSU from me, then decided to find out if it would work with her laptop after winning. Afer deciding it wouldn't (and I'd already sent it) she contacted Paypal who refunded my money back to her and I never saw the item, or a response from her again.

Rest assured that everything you do, good or bad, pays back - of that I am sure. I think you handled it well and were more than fair it seems. You did a good thing and it will return to you at some point.

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Why not post a link to the charity, I will make a contribution, I am sure between us we can make up the shortfall and honour your original intention, as for that AS****LE, well what goes round comes round

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Also strongly suspect the purchaser plans to sell them on at a profit. If anyone sees a pair of NS1000s for sale from a company called My Audio Design (MAD England) you now know the story behind them.

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http://shop.ebay.co.uk/greatstuffstogiveaway/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1& ;_from=&_ipg=25

looks like it...

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Why not post a link to the charity, I will make a contribution, I am sure between us we can make up the shortfall and honour your original intention, as for that AS****LE, well what goes round comes round

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Good point, you could set up a Just Giving page.

http://www.justgiving.com/

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Why not post a link to the charity, I will make a contribution, I am sure between us we can make up the shortfall and honour your original intention, as for that AS****LE, well what goes round comes round

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Good point, you could set up a Just Giving page.

http://www.justgiving.com/

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I refer you kind gentlemen to the link in my signature

Here's a direct link: http://www.justgiving.com/wainwrightride

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OK will do

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