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Phil Foster
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iPad 2 Audio output? new
      #913673 - 11/05/11 12:01 PM
Just got myself an iPad 2 and was wondering what is the best audio output option to allow me to connect it into my studio?

Thanks Guys

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #913689 - 11/05/11 12:32 PM
Quote 6am:

Just got myself an iPad 2 and was wondering what is the best audio output option to allow me to connect it into my studio?

Thanks Guys




well you're the one with an iPad in front of you - you tell us, what is your audio output option?

Looks to me like it's mini-jack only....

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #913715 - 11/05/11 01:43 PM
The optional Camera Kit, allows you to connect USB devices.
Class compliant audio interface should work, maybe?

Apogee's Jam has it's own connector for input.
http://apogeedigital.com/products/jam.php

Apple also has AV cable kits that provide RCA stereo output, pair that with the dock.

Check iPad accessories at the Apple site.

Really surprised that there isn't product for the purpose of connecting to DAWS.



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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #913733 - 11/05/11 03:20 PM
Thanks. Yes I was also really surprised that there isn't a product for the purpose of connecting to DAWS. Thought maybe i was missing something?

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #913776 - 11/05/11 06:32 PM
Take a trip over here for a list of suitable devices:

http://iosmidi.com/devices/


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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Aftertouch]
      #913854 - 12/05/11 08:31 AM
I've not tried this yet but it's on my shortlist.

http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipment/alesis-studiodock-pro-audio-dock-for -ipad--82750

If it's convenience and freedom you are after, I use one of these to hook up to my HiFi via Bluetooth. It's not as good as a wired connection but is more than adequate.

http://www.qed.co.uk/194/gb/product/live/uplay_bluetooth_receiver.htm

If you have an apple airport express, you can do something similar using wifi. I think you might be restricted to the apps that you can use doing it like this whereas the QED bluetooth solution will play any audio generated by your iPad.


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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #913866 - 12/05/11 09:35 AM
This will be amongst the best audio you'll get out of an iPad. It's class compliant, requires a USB hub, has superb pres and uses the dock connector.

http://www.sounddevices.com/notes/usbpre/usbpre2-with-ipad/

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: marsnic]
      #913869 - 12/05/11 09:54 AM
Quote marsnic:

I've not tried this yet but it's on my shortlist.

http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipment/alesis-studiodock-pro-audio-dock-for -ipad--82750






I've stated it before in other threads, this product only seems to exist in the NAMM videos and I have yet to see any video of one actually in use. All footage so far is a tour of the connectors and pots, but that is it. Alesis website still says awaiting Apple approval. Once I see it in action, I may consider getting an iPad, but I'm still waiting...

It is supposed to be a game changer!

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #913940 - 12/05/11 03:57 PM
I wonder if Apple reducing the power output of the dock connector has caused issues for Alesis?


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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #913961 - 12/05/11 06:31 PM
Who knows. It looks like it is a good product, I just want to see some proof!

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #914030 - 13/05/11 07:42 AM
Yes this is proving more complicated than I expected, you would think that they would jump at the chance of coming up with a simple audio interface for the iPad/iPad 2.

What are Apogee up to, it seems right up there street??

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #914042 - 13/05/11 08:30 AM
Quote 6am:

What are Apogee up to, it seems right up there street??




Have a look at this - iPad2 + Camera Connection Kit + Apogee One = great sound output!

and another video

The Apogee Jam, made specifically for the iPad/iPad2 should be available to buy soon.

Also, look at the link I posted earlier for other tested options.


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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Aftertouch]
      #914066 - 13/05/11 09:22 AM
4 separate pieces of hardware and a power connection to get an audio/midi interface working seems rather ugly for what essentially is supposed to be a portable and flexible piece of equipment. I realise that this is supposed to show that it can be done, but there seems no advantage over a laptop whatsoever. Also, is it possible to power your iPad when using the camera connection kit?


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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: marsnic]
      #914114 - 13/05/11 01:23 PM
Quote marsnic:

4 separate pieces of hardware and a power connection to get an audio/midi interface working seems rather ugly for what essentially is supposed to be a portable and flexible piece of equipment. I realise that this is supposed to show that it can be done, but there seems no advantage over a laptop whatsoever. Also, is it possible to power your iPad when using the camera connection kit?




I don't think so, if it's anything like an ipod it's the same connector.

Rumors have the iPad gaining a thunderbolt connection. That would probably require external power.

TB would also provide digital I/O.

For now the best hassle-free solution for output seems to be the cable kit.

The OP was interested in an iPad output, currently most products aimed at musicians are input solutions.

The Studiodock could fit the bill.



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Edited by G-Doubleyou (13/05/11 01:36 PM)


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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: marsnic]
      #914165 - 13/05/11 07:03 PM
Quote marsnic:

4 separate pieces of hardware and a power connection to get an audio/midi interface working seems rather ugly for what essentially is supposed to be a portable and flexible piece of equipment. I realise that this is supposed to show that it can be done, but there seems no advantage over a laptop whatsoever. Also, is it possible to power your iPad when using the camera connection kit?




I would agree with you, but the OP's requirement was not for a portable solution.

Quote 6am:

Just got myself an iPad 2 and was wondering what is the best audio output option to allow me to connect it into my studio?

Thanks Guys




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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #914166 - 13/05/11 07:07 PM
The OP is talking about using it in his studio, where he presumably has power, so various powered solutions should be fine. It seems unlikely the iPad will present enough power to run anything very sophisticated by itself.

Regarding the RCA breakout cable, this signal would presumable be a similar quality to the headphone outputs, given they'd use the same converters.

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #914217 - 14/05/11 07:39 AM
Ideally it would be nice to have something very simple and very portable too, you're right most devices concentrate on getting a high quality signal into the iPad but surely that is pointless unless you can get it out again at the same standard?

All the options that seem to be available do indeed need power or at least an extra (powered) usb hub. While this still remains "portable" it's definitely not ideal and seems to hark back to the old days of dodgy connectors and multiple cables.

If manufacturers can come up with studio quality inputs, surely they can make the connection that we would also need studio quality out puts?

The iPad, to me, seems perfect for us lot as a sketching, jamming, gigging and fun tool but until you can quickly, easily and securely connect a studio quality out put it will never reach it's full potential.

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #914229 - 14/05/11 08:40 AM
Good points 6am, but I think it's also a matter of keeping things in perspective.

I love my iPad for certain tasks, but I don't see it replacing my computer for serious audio work.

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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? new [Re: Phil Foster]
      #914312 - 14/05/11 11:08 PM
Maybe see it as a sketchpad and transfer the raw audio files into your DAW.


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Re: iPad 2 Audio output? [Re: Bob Bickerton]
      #914672 - 17/05/11 11:13 AM
Quote Bob Bickerton:

Good points 6am, but I think it's also a matter of keeping things in perspective.

I love my iPad for certain tasks, but I don't see it replacing my computer for serious audio work.

Bob




Agreed - In the studio, you already have the CPU grunt and software you need. To me, the iPad comes into its own by providing a handy touch interface to that existing environment and not necessarily as a DAW or VST instrument. The main uses for me are controlling Cubase via the steinberg app, Omnisphere using their app and using AirDisplay to control anything else. The Omnisphere app in particular is a fantastic example of how this technology should work in my opinion.


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