Greg Strutton
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TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
#934055 - 13/08/11 10:38 AM
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Forgive my naivety, but why are TDM plugins always more expensive than Native plugins?
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narcoman
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: Greg Strutton]
#934057 - 13/08/11 11:15 AM
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much more difficult to code - require a certain expertise. PLUS the old TDM license is
more than the RTAS one.
To be honest it's a bit of a throwback to the past -
from a time when they were the only real viable solution for professional DAW work.
They're not so much needed these days although the TDM system is still way ahead in terms
of recording functionality though it's only something you'll notice on very large gigs.
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Jack Ruston
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: Greg Strutton]
#934058 - 13/08/11 11:30 AM
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Increasingly we're seeing TDM prices falling in line with RTAS on a 'promotional' basis.
The current format is going to change with the next incarnation of DSP assisted PT. J
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Hugh Robjohns
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: Greg Strutton]
#934067 - 13/08/11 12:04 PM
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Quote Greg Strutton:
why are TDM
plugins always more expensive than Native plugins?
Because they could get away with it under the umbrella of being
part of the inevitable costs of the 'industry standard pro DAW system'. 
Unlikely to continue that way much longer as the technology and people's expectations
have changed. TDM offers few if any advantages these days and the additional cost of TDM
plugins can't really be justified in my humble opinion. PW often makes reference to a 'tax
on DAW users' when this subject comes up...
Hugh
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desmond
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: Greg Strutton]
#934070 - 13/08/11 12:19 PM
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Quote Greg Strutton:
Forgive my
naivety, but why are TDM plugins always more expensive than Native plugins?
Marketing.
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narcoman
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#934080 - 13/08/11 01:45 PM
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Quote Hugh Robjohns:
Because they could get away with it under the umbrella of being part of the inevitable
costs of the 'industry standard pro DAW system'.
..... which of course is
utter boolarks . They are a LOT harder to code and the financial investment in setting your
team up to work within TDM is not inconsiderble (including the extra license money). You
need to work in a lot of assembly type code etc.... Anyone who thinks the money on them is
marketing etc needs to talk to someone like S. Massey. It's not a walk in the park and
there are no SDK tools to particularly help apart form the header libraries, and a few
methods from old digi stock. It aint like writing an I-phone app which just about any
semi-literate coder can do!!
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Hugh Robjohns:
Unlikely to continue that way much longer as the
technology and people's expectations have changed. TDM offers few if any advantages these
days and the additional cost of TDM plugins can't really be justified in my humble
opinion. PW often makes reference to a 'tax on DAW users' when this subject comes up...
Hugh
Then PW is
wrong and ought to talk to a few ex coders! RTAS coding uses api based systems that any
half decent coder could use. Not so with TDM - it's direct work much more akin to writing
in OCCAM or any of the other DSP assigned languages.... in other words your coders are
£60k people
A better criticism would be - TDM ain't needed any more as it
offers no real world advantages that can't be bettered monitoring from a console.
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Here be Dragons
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: narcoman]
#934081 - 13/08/11 02:03 PM
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Narco has the right of it....
Coding TDM is more expensive, as outlined by
Narco, and the sales numbers are inherently limited by the platform, so the development
and licensing costs are more significant to the end user price.
I'm
seriously surprised really that PW (and Hugh) seem unaware of this....
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narcoman
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: Greg Strutton]
#934082 - 13/08/11 02:04 PM
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I reckon they're like, ya know, gagging fer a fisticuffs init? 
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desmond
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: narcoman]
#934094 - 13/08/11 03:16 PM
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Basically, you have to sell your soul and your first-born children to get the development
kit from Digi, so plugin developers have to recoup somehow...
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Hugh Robjohns
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Quote Off duty BBQ lighter AKA Idris:
I'm seriously surprised really that PW (and Hugh) seem unaware of this....
The last coding I did was
machine code for an 8085... and that was quite a few years ago now.
I am
indebted to my honourable colleagues for their insight and justification of part of the
greater cost of creating TDM plugins, and have modified my views accordingly.
hugh
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narcoman
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: Greg Strutton]
#934107 - 13/08/11 04:31 PM
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.... lucky. very lucky. I was about to bring down the wrath of deity of supreme
programmers - or DSP as it's called......
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Here be Dragons
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: narcoman]
#934114 - 13/08/11 05:22 PM
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in fairness, not all DSP is so badly supported or outrageously priced for SDK Licenses and
such like....
in other words, it's not the fault of the plug in
developers..... but there IS a big bad spider gobbling up the money, you may
extrapolate to your own conclusion.
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narcoman
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: Greg Strutton]
#934121 - 13/08/11 06:38 PM
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UAD run a different initiative. You partner with them and it's sold under their
conditions.
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Greg Strutton
Joined: 25/09/04
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Loc: Oxford, UK
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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
[Re: narcoman]
#934157 - 13/08/11 11:33 PM
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Thanks for the replies guys.
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