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Greg Strutton



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TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of
      #934055 - 13/08/11 10:38 AM
Forgive my naivety, but why are TDM plugins always more expensive than Native plugins?


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: Greg Strutton]
      #934057 - 13/08/11 11:15 AM
much more difficult to code - require a certain expertise. PLUS the old TDM license is more than the RTAS one.

To be honest it's a bit of a throwback to the past - from a time when they were the only real viable solution for professional DAW work. They're not so much needed these days although the TDM system is still way ahead in terms of recording functionality though it's only something you'll notice on very large gigs.


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: Greg Strutton]
      #934058 - 13/08/11 11:30 AM
Increasingly we're seeing TDM prices falling in line with RTAS on a 'promotional' basis. The current format is going to change with the next incarnation of DSP assisted PT.

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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: Greg Strutton]
      #934067 - 13/08/11 12:04 PM
Quote Greg Strutton:

why are TDM plugins always more expensive than Native plugins?




Because they could get away with it under the umbrella of being part of the inevitable costs of the 'industry standard pro DAW system'.

Unlikely to continue that way much longer as the technology and people's expectations have changed. TDM offers few if any advantages these days and the additional cost of TDM plugins can't really be justified in my humble opinion. PW often makes reference to a 'tax on DAW users' when this subject comes up...

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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: Greg Strutton]
      #934070 - 13/08/11 12:19 PM
Quote Greg Strutton:

Forgive my naivety, but why are TDM plugins always more expensive than Native plugins?




Marketing.


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: Hugh Robjohns]
      #934080 - 13/08/11 01:45 PM
Quote Hugh Robjohns:



Because they could get away with it under the umbrella of being part of the inevitable costs of the 'industry standard pro DAW system'.





..... which of course is utter boolarks . They are a LOT harder to code and the financial investment in setting your team up to work within TDM is not inconsiderble (including the extra license money). You need to work in a lot of assembly type code etc.... Anyone who thinks the money on them is marketing etc needs to talk to someone like S. Massey. It's not a walk in the park and there are no SDK tools to particularly help apart form the header libraries, and a few methods from old digi stock. It aint like writing an I-phone app which just about any semi-literate coder can do!!

Quote Hugh Robjohns:


Unlikely to continue that way much longer as the technology and people's expectations have changed. TDM offers few if any advantages these days and the additional cost of TDM plugins can't really be justified in my humble opinion. PW often makes reference to a 'tax on DAW users' when this subject comes up...

Hugh




Then PW is wrong and ought to talk to a few ex coders! RTAS coding uses api based systems that any half decent coder could use. Not so with TDM - it's direct work much more akin to writing in OCCAM or any of the other DSP assigned languages.... in other words your coders are £60k people

A better criticism would be - TDM ain't needed any more as it offers no real world advantages that can't be bettered monitoring from a console.


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: narcoman]
      #934081 - 13/08/11 02:03 PM
Narco has the right of it....

Coding TDM is more expensive, as outlined by Narco, and the sales numbers are inherently limited by the platform, so the development and licensing costs are more significant to the end user price.


I'm seriously surprised really that PW (and Hugh) seem unaware of this....


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: Greg Strutton]
      #934082 - 13/08/11 02:04 PM
I reckon they're like, ya know, gagging fer a fisticuffs init?



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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: narcoman]
      #934094 - 13/08/11 03:16 PM
Basically, you have to sell your soul and your first-born children to get the development kit from Digi, so plugin developers have to recoup somehow...


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: . . . Delete This User . . .]
      #934102 - 13/08/11 04:07 PM
Quote Off duty BBQ lighter AKA Idris:

I'm seriously surprised really that PW (and Hugh) seem unaware of this....




The last coding I did was machine code for an 8085... and that was quite a few years ago now.

I am indebted to my honourable colleagues for their insight and justification of part of the greater cost of creating TDM plugins, and have modified my views accordingly.

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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: Greg Strutton]
      #934107 - 13/08/11 04:31 PM
.... lucky. very lucky. I was about to bring down the wrath of deity of supreme programmers - or DSP as it's called......


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: narcoman]
      #934114 - 13/08/11 05:22 PM
in fairness, not all DSP is so badly supported or outrageously priced for SDK Licenses and such like....


in other words, it's not the fault of the plug in developers..... but there IS a big bad spider gobbling up the money, you may extrapolate to your own conclusion.


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: Greg Strutton]
      #934121 - 13/08/11 06:38 PM
UAD run a different initiative. You partner with them and it's sold under their conditions.


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Re: TDM vrs Native plugins, the cost of new [Re: narcoman]
      #934157 - 13/08/11 11:33 PM
Thanks for the replies guys.


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