Tony Raven
Joined: 15/11/09
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Loc: Minnesota, USA
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tube amp questions
#936944 - 27/08/11 06:16 AM
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I'm conversant in electronics... barely. Therefore, I have some potentially silly
questions that occur to me, & I figured I'd start a thread to collect a few.
So, to begin:
#1: if "automatic biasing" is a good thing, then why don't more
amps have it?
#2: audiophile tube amps often have all sorts of trim pots. How
often do the amps need to be adjusted by someone who knows what they're doing? Is this
comparable to guitar amps?
#3: over the years, I've noticed that speaker
impedance is a variable, not a precise constant -- an "8 ohm" speaker might be somewhere
between 5 & 12 on the meter. If my amp has choices of 4, 8, & 16, should I be
matching the speaker resistance to one of these, or just trust the labels?
#4:
similarly, when a speaker is on a long cable run, that adds resistance. Does this cause
impedance problems?
#5: is there such a thing as "no-load protection" for tube
amps? Over the years, I've seen speakers come unplugged, & sometimes the speaker lead
breaks or even burns out, but I've never seen these faults actually kill an amp. Still,
I've always been paranoid that some "helpful" person wouldn't put a plug properly all the
way in, & I'd end up with dead gear. Is this a serious concern?
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Folderol
Joined: 15/11/08
Posts: 2558
Loc: Rochester, UK
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Re: tube amp questions
[Re: Tony Raven]
#937016 - 27/08/11 03:20 PM
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Quote Tony Raven:
I'm conversant
in electronics... barely. Therefore, I have some potentially silly questions that occur to
me, & I figured I'd start a thread to collect a few.
So, to begin:
#1: if "automatic biasing" is a good thing, then why don't more amps have it?
Cheap and cheerful and no setup
required. OK on class A amps, Dodgy on class AB, a definite NO on class B (might go into
details later!)
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#2: audiophile tube amps often have all sorts of trim pots. How often do the amps need
to be adjusted by someone who knows what they're doing? Is this comparable to guitar
amps?
As well as setting
bias, some believe in critically balancing phase splitters (as if 1% resistors aren't good
enough), changing the position on the conduction 'slope' of pre-amps, changing feedback
characteristics. In fact if it can be tweaked then there must be a control for it.
Personally I don't subscribe to that idea 
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#3: over the
years, I've noticed that speaker impedance is a variable, not a precise constant -- an "8
ohm" speaker might be somewhere between 5 & 12 on the meter. If my amp has choices of
4, 8, & 16, should I be matching the speaker resistance to one of these, or just trust
the labels?
Trust the label!
Speakers aren't resistors. The are quite complex impedances, and your meter measures only
resistance.
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#4: similarly, when a speaker is on a long cable run, that adds resistance. Does this
cause impedance problems?
If
you've got a decent weight of cable the difference should be insignificant.
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#5: is there such
a thing as "no-load protection" for tube amps? Over the years, I've seen speakers come
unplugged, & sometimes the speaker lead breaks or even burns out, but I've never seen
these faults actually kill an amp. Still, I've always been paranoid that some "helpful"
person wouldn't put a plug properly all the way in, & I'd end up with dead gear. Is
this a serious concern?
No load on
a valve amp is extremely unwise. Some amps have circuitry to detect this and shut the amp
down. Some have spark gaps on the transformer primary to at least limit the damage. With
many you're on your own
-------------------- It wasn't me!
(Well, actually, it probably was)
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ef37a
Joined: 29/05/06
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Loc: northampton uk
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Re: tube amp questions
[Re: Folderol]
#937112 - 28/08/11 09:04 AM
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Auto or cathode biasing can only set a valve current so low and even then it "robs" you of
signal swing. An EL34 cathode* would sit at 32V+ and KT88's even higher so the power
rating of the cathode resistors starts to get "silly"! A pair of 34's for example will,
give only 25-30W in cathode biased mode but a very easy 60-80W fixed biased.( for guitar
amps! The distortion is quite high).
Trim pots: Good amps (cough!) do at least
have DC (hum) balance as well as bias setting. "Hi-Fi amps often have an HF balance pot as
Will has said but if you design for a low resistance drive to the op valve grids (and keep
the grid leaks low, another story!) this really is not needed because stray capacitance
becomes less important. Tis gilding the lily on gitamps anyway!
Load
specifications: These are determined by test. For guitar amps they are usually chosen to
extract max power but with an acceptable overdrive sound but always with an eye to valve
and other component safety. Decent amps will not protest at 25% off spec loads and you can
go as LOW as you like but watch for "red plating" and big amps will pop fuses! Protection? Yes,(cough again!) some amps bias off the op valves with no speaker jack
plugged in. and the same brand have another "trade secret" that helps. I know of a
100watter that had the nuts driven off it with no load. Fuses and valves
later...Fine...I'll be back
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ef37a
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Loc: northampton uk
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Re: tube amp questions
[Re: Tony Raven]
#937113 - 28/08/11 09:13 AM
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The dreaded wrap struck again. In two years I did not change an op transformer for no
load damage or saw any evidence of valveholder flashover. *There is a 20W EL34 amp
that uses both cathode (110Ohms) and a negative supply bias. Gives a bit of the best of
both worlds.
Lead resistance?: Don't sweat it, you need H of a lot of 5amp
"garden orange" to get to even ONE Ohm! There will almost certainly be more resistance in
the jack socket contacts than any sensible length of cable. Then, the op resistance of
guitar amps is in Ohms to tens of Ohms, why worry over a bit o cable?
Dave.
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Tony Raven
Joined: 15/11/09
Posts: 180
Loc: Minnesota, USA
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Re: tube amp questions
[Re: Tony Raven]
#937358 - 30/08/11 06:23 AM
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Thanks, all!! Succinct & insightful -- many doubts & arguments have been put to
rest. I've been playing combos for most of my life, so recent moves into the
heads-&-cabs arena is still in the experimental stage.
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