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Music Manic
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Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new
      #936893 - 26/08/11 07:05 PM
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Is there a precise setting when I use a software plugin to emulate cross-feed into my headphones.

How much of the opposite channel should I feed into the other and how much delay should be applied to emulate open space monitoring?

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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new [Re: Music Manic]
      #936917 - 26/08/11 10:39 PM
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Hi Music Manic - You may want to check out the box describing cross-feed down near the bottom of this: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/articles/mixingheadphones.htm

There's also an SOS article somewhere that has a little piece on how to set it up in a Cubase DAW, but I can't find it right now.

Hope that helps!

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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new [Re: Music Manic]
      #936926 - 26/08/11 11:32 PM
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If you can find a spare eighty quid, get yourself a VRM box. It's an immensely practical tool for mixing on headphones. Crossfeed will slightly reduce the "inside your head" stereo image, but it doesn't sound like a pair of speakers, not by a long way.


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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new [Re: uphillbothways]
      #936927 - 26/08/11 11:46 PM
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Quote uphillbothways:

If you can find a spare eighty quid, get yourself a VRM box. It's an immensely practical tool for mixing on headphones. Crossfeed will slightly reduce the "inside your head" stereo image, but it doesn't sound like a pair of speakers, not by a long way.



Hi uphillbothways!

I was thinking about getting the VRM, but it sounded like it was very complicated in terms of setup, and the SOS reviewer said it made his Cubase and Protools stutter, presumably from the CPU load http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr11/articles/focusrite-vrmbox.htm . So I've stayed away so far.

It sounds like you are liking your experience? If so, can you comment on those observations, and describe your system a little bit please?

Thanks!

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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new [Re: Music Manic]
      #937010 - 27/08/11 02:57 PM
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Hi guys, I've just bought the VRM so I'll report back once I've received it and tested it.

I have the plugins for crossfeed but I am not quite convinced?

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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new [Re: Music Manic]
      #937012 - 27/08/11 03:04 PM
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For a hardware version...
http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=937011&page=0&v iew=collapsed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1#937011

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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new [Re: Folderol]
      #937014 - 27/08/11 03:10 PM
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Quote Folderol:

For a hardware version...
http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=937011&page=0&v iew=collapsed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1#937011


Hi Folderol.
Yes I've seen that but am not clever enough to build one.
Do you build them? PM if so.

I've seen the Meier headphone amps but haven't got around to trying one out yet.

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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new [Re: alexis]
      #937041 - 27/08/11 06:28 PM
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Quote alexis:

Hi Music Manic - You may want to check out the box describing cross-feed down near the bottom of this: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/articles/mixingheadphones.htm



Thanks for posting that link to my headphone mixing feature alexis

I spent a lot of time working with various crossfeed plug-ins while researching it, and ended up using them a lot at the time.

However, within a few months I abandoned them all in favour of making mixes that worked both on headphones and loudspeakers - let's face it, so many people listen on earbuds nowadays that all mixes need to be compatible with both.

I gave some hints int hat feature on how to tweak existing mixes to avoid the peculiar 'outside the head' feeling as well


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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #937091 - 28/08/11 12:44 AM
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Thank Martin.

Been a long time since I read that. I didn't realise the open back headphones actually give a little natural crossfeed.

I agree that the Sennheiser HD650's are very good even though they have a softer sound compared to the Sony MDR7509's. They do seem to level things out in the mix.


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Re: Crossfeed Settings for Headphones [Re: Music Manic]
      #937526 - 30/08/11 06:54 PM
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Hi Guys.

I've just received the VRM box and I have been playing around on it for ten minutes to
give you an immediate view.
All the presets concentrate on certain ranges, which is really good if you want to just hear bass or highs in certain environments. I guess if you want to mix dance or rock there seems to be some good presets to help.

I've been listening on my Senheisser HD650's through USB nad the laptop. I will now try SPDIF through my main music computer

There's a bypass swith which helps you refresh your ear and is meant for A/B


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