paul tha other
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when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
#940783 - 14/09/11 03:50 PM
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hey guys..i have been using time machine to back up all my audio drives... i only back up
once a day .normally when i am burning the cd's for the band i switch on my extenal drive
and let it back up..the problem iam having with this is every now and then the backup
drive gets full and time machine dosnt start deleting all the old back ups it just gives
me warning messages telling that my hard drive is full.. so that being as much
use as a chocolate teaspoon i was wondering what programme do you guys use to back stuff
up???
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MarcusH
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: paul tha other]
#940789 - 14/09/11 04:33 PM
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I use two back-up drives. One drive holds Time Machine back-ups - controlled by Time
Machine Editor to only do one back-up per day. Restricting Time Machine to once a day,
clearly has both advantages and disadvantages.
The other drive has Carbon Copy
Cloner back-ups. Carbon Copy Cloner makes a clone of the computer's hard drive once a day.
It doesn't do the complicated stuff that Time Machine does, but it's simpler and hopefully
more reliable.
Marcus
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desmond
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: MarcusH]
#940795 - 14/09/11 04:50 PM
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I use SuperDuper, both to run automatically scheduled clones/backups of drives, and to
manually back stuff up into disk images.
Rock solid for me, I love it. I
don't use Time Machine.
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Tui
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: paul tha other]
#940796 - 14/09/11 04:51 PM
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You need to occasionally test what you believe to be clones, in particular clones of
System drives. Does the clone work as a start-up disk, do all apps open as they
should?
Personally, I don't trust CCC, SuperDuper or even Time Machine. I've
had bad experience with SuperDuper in particular. For the last years, I've been backing
up manually, using Disk Utility. Apps such as CCC do not necessarily back up all files,
or all files in the right order. If you do a bit of googling, you'll find articles about
it.
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desmond
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: Tui]
#940803 - 14/09/11 05:15 PM
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Yes, Super Duper has (and does) clone bootable drives and system drives, and yes, I've
tested it on many occasions.
I've heard of people having some issues with
this in the past with old versions, but I don't know whether this still holds. I trust
mine, but ymmv of course.
Have you got any reading on this? - I just googled,
for instance, "Superduper unreliable" and found nothing at all...
Edited by desmond (14/09/11 05:21 PM)
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Tui
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: paul tha other]
#940813 - 14/09/11 05:44 PM
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I'm afraid not... I'm certain, though, that I read at least one article which detailed
which visible, and importantly, invisible files get backed up by either/or CCC and
SuperSuper, and which don't. Then there's also the issue of order of back-up, as in, some
apps don't follow Apple protocol. I'll be damned if I can remember where I read it...
Basically, I took from it that Disk Utility, being an Apple app, is still the
most reliable solution. YMMW, as ever.
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desmond
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: Tui]
#940835 - 14/09/11 07:38 PM
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SuperDuper does indeed ignore some files in a backup (there's a list of them in the log
while it's working) because these are running caches and other low level stuff which
*shouldn't* be backed up. Everything it should do, it backs up fine, in my experience (and
I've been using it for some years now).
Just checking, because sometimes people
can instill old learned knowledge which may not be factually correct any more.
Anyway - just reporting that I've have no problems with it, and I use it extensively...
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Tui
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: paul tha other]
#940856 - 14/09/11 09:33 PM
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I know about caches and stuff, however the article made a point of detailing how different
back-up apps don't always do what they are supposed to (or what one would expect), and I
remember quite clearly that the order of the backed up files was in question, too. I also
seem to remember that SuperDuper did not fare well.
Anyways, I'm glad it's
working for you.
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mosso
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: paul tha other]
#940969 - 15/09/11 11:17 AM
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Quote paul tha other:
time
machine dosnt start deleting all the old back ups it just gives me warning messages
telling that my hard drive is full..
Time Machine deletes the oldest files once the drive is out of space (or at least
it does here). You may want to check why yours doesn't - it'll save you finding another
backup solution (although a cloned drive is a very useful thing you've been ok with Time
Machine up until now so why not continue if possible)...
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paul tha other
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: mosso]
#940997 - 15/09/11 12:58 PM
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thanks for the replies...i have checked out the usual suspects and i just dont know which
one to go for so i thought i would ask here cause we are all doing music.. i just to find
out which ones work best for you guys.in my experiance time machine never deletes the old
files it allways comes up with a error msg saying that the target drive is full.choose
another hard drive to back up on
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thedomus
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Re: when time machine just isnt cutting it anymore
[Re: paul tha other]
#940999 - 15/09/11 01:04 PM
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I use Time Machine and a fab program called Chronosync. It backs up at noon and at the end of play daily to
an offsite harddrive. I also sync my projects at the end of the day to a portable USB
drive which I then sync to a Drobo at home daily... call me a backup obsessive!!! What I'm a big fan of is the way it smart updates to whatever media and warns you if you
are writing old data over new e.t.c. Highly rated! 
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