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Re: AD converter issue. new [Re: Hugh Robjohns]
      #950064 - 28/10/11 06:26 PM
Quote Hugh Robjohns:

You and me both...

It's a hugely versatile product -- more so than most people need, really -- and many would argue that the Orpheus has a slight edge in sonic terms although perhaps not quite as versatile.

hugh




Interesting note about Orpheus as I've tried both and couldn't tell the difference (though not in A/B conditions). What I really really like about the 8XR is the modular aspect. The firewire 400 could perhaps be replaced with a thunderbolt in future (not sure about the protocol). Great products by a great company. Wish they'd enter the entry level market so I could afford one. Even 2 channel. :drool:

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Re: AD converter issue. new [Re: akkk]
      #950066 - 28/10/11 07:59 PM
Sorry, I was just curious as to what your methods were for matching the levels.

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Re: AD converter issue. new [Re: ken long]
      #950084 - 28/10/11 11:37 PM
Quote ken long:

Interesting note about Orpheus as I've tried both and couldn't tell the difference (though not in A/B conditions).




It's a very subtle difference, but even the Prism guys seem to think the orpheus is the best converter they've done to date.

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What I really really like about the 8XR is the modular aspect.




Absolutely -- that's it's key selling point, the versatility of interfacing.

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Wish they'd enter the entry level market so I could afford one




I fear that if the built down to the entry level market it wouldn't sound like a Prism anymore. There's a reason their stuff costs what it does.

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Re: AD converter issue. new [Re: Hugh Robjohns]
      #950090 - 29/10/11 01:00 AM
Quote Hugh Robjohns:


I fear that if the built down to the entry level market it wouldn't sound like a Prism anymore. There's a reason their stuff costs what it does.





Yes. A bit like Bentleys!

But I'm not sure I agree that they couldn't keep the quality at an affordable price. Apogee delivered a pretty good interface in the Duet. Not the best Apogee (and I have't tried Symphony) but pretty damn close and 5 x cheaper than the comparable Rosetta 200 - which incidentally, does not have mic pre-amps (but that's another thread!). The Orpheus appears to me to be a step they took in that direction but I can only speak for myself when I say I couldn't ever justify purchasing one at the current price considering there are cheaper "decent" alternatives so it goes on that shelf in my locker of repressed desires along with the Nagra VI and A807.




Edit: Just realised I was comparing Apogee to Prism. Just to be clear, there is a vast difference between say, the Ensemble and the Orpheus. ADC aside, The build and features of the Orpheus are superior to the Apogee. In fairness, the Ensemble has very good convertors and good pres for the money. But it has some limiting design features and, IMO, poor software.

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Re: AD converter issue. new [Re: Hugh Robjohns]
      #950096 - 29/10/11 06:53 AM
"There's a reason their stuff costs what it does."

Oooo! Do tell!

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Re: AD converter issue. new [Re: ken long]
      #950098 - 29/10/11 07:13 AM
This is a most interesting diversion Ken!

Seems to me that a top bllx A to D converter outputing just digital, S/PDIF AES and powered from a decent but generally available (and cheap!)line lump SMPSU could be made, together with a complimentory D/A so allowing people to build up a very good converter chain.

The unit would be very simple, having just line inputs and screwdiver multiturn level setting pots. The whole shooting match could interface to an AP 192 or similar for MIDI (would be even better for M-A to get off derrier and make a PCIe 192!).

There is precedence in that there are now quite a few very good lower cost, no frills mic pres' about.

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Re: AD converter issue. new [Re: ef37a]
      #950117 - 29/10/11 10:07 AM
Quote ef37a:

"There's a reason their stuff costs what it does."
Oooo! Do tell!




You just have to open the lid to see. Their stuff isn't the 'chip designer's application sheet' implementations you see everywhere else -- and often done badly. They design from scracth adn from the ground up with meticulous detail to every aspect of the circuitry; power supply, analogue, converter, digital, interfacing etc. They are fanatical engineers who design things right, without compromises, not to achieve a certain price target.

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