I want to record 2 guitars using Cubase.
I am recording 2 seperate mono tracks for each guitar 1L and 1R making 4 mono tracks in all.
Even though i'm using different guitars i'm still getting phasing.
Can anyone help get rid of this or point me to an article please.

Phasing happens when you hear the SAME signal through two paths, with slightly different time delays.

I'm interested why you are recording each part twice, to two mono tracks? If the guitar has a stereo output, it deserves a stereo track. If (as guitars normally do) it has just one output, record to a mono track. You seem to be doing something unusual. Why?

Sorry i don't understand how i can record a guitar in stereo.
I assumed that being a mono instrument i'd record one take for the left and then another take for the right.

Correct. So you recorded four passes with one mic? Two of one guitar and two of another?

If so you shouldn't get phasing unless something is routed in a weird way. You might get a slightly chorusey effect if the double tracks are very tight.

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it's not unusual at all EW, it's just slightly ambiguously described...


layering multiple guitars in such a fashion is common,


however, it sounds like the OP is playing exactly the same part 4 times, and tightly enough so that the sound is getting phasey perhaps....



in which case, make the parts a little more different yet still the same...

for example, play the part once in the open position, and once at the octave for each guitar.....


or the first chord inversions....


or just the bottom 3 strings on one, and the top three on the other.,


or use a completely different amp, guitar, and mic position , to double the track....

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Sorry i don't understand how i can record a guitar in stereo.
I assumed that being a mono instrument i'd record one take for the left and then another take for the right.

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People sometimes run guitars through an effects box that gives a quasi-stereo output.

So you're double-tracking each part? Maybe you're just being unlucky and getting it TOO accurate! Is the phasing constant, or just on some notes? Are you using the same guitar for each take of the identical tracks, or different ones?

If the problem is on EVERY note, and you actually played each part twice, I'd be looking a little deeper for the problem. Could the monitored track be getting recorded along with the live input?

i could offer my services as a very bad session guitarist. i'm sure i'd have no trouble not matching the original exactly, which should resolve the issue.

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On the occasion that I do this I tune the guitar with the tuner for the first part and then detune the guitar and then retune by ear (i.e. no tuner!) for the second. This usually means no phasing.

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Sorry i don't understand how i can record a guitar in stereo.
I assumed that being a mono instrument i'd record one take for the left and then another take for the right.

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This is an oft overlooked consequence of most audio interfaces, they don't "pan".
If you feed a single channel into a PCI soundcard from a mixer you have a choice as to where in the stereo picture the guitar appears (it is still a "mono" signal but it now has "place") you can't do that with most AIs. I guess most DAW software can do it but since I run thru a mixer I have never bothered to find out how! Had I the need, stuck with an AI, I would simply split the guitar signal to the two inputs and put them on two mono tracks.

Dave.

Thanks for the replies.
I've so far tried with a Tele' and a Strat' and yes the rythm is very accurate due to the fact that i'm playing both parts exactly the same.
I'll try the tips above and see how it works out.

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Sorry i don't understand how i can record a guitar in stereo.
I assumed that being a mono instrument i'd record one take for the left and then another take for the right.

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This is an oft overlooked consequence of most audio interfaces, they don't "pan".
If you feed a single channel into a PCI soundcard from a mixer you have a choice as to where in the stereo picture the guitar appears (it is still a "mono" signal but it now has "place") you can't do that with most AIs. I guess most DAW software can do it but since I run thru a mixer I have never bothered to find out how! Had I the need, stuck with an AI, I would simply split the guitar signal to the two inputs and put them on two mono tracks.

Dave.

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You simply plug your guitar into one channel of the AI, record that one channel alone as a mono track and then pan it in the DAW. It's not rocket science!

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Sorry i don't understand how i can record a guitar in stereo.
I assumed that being a mono instrument i'd record one take for the left and then another take for the right.

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This is an oft overlooked consequence of most audio interfaces, they don't "pan".
If you feed a single channel into a PCI soundcard from a mixer you have a choice as to where in the stereo picture the guitar appears (it is still a "mono" signal but it now has "place") you can't do that with most AIs. I guess most DAW software can do it but since I run thru a mixer I have never bothered to find out how! Had I the need, stuck with an AI, I would simply split the guitar signal to the two inputs and put them on two mono tracks.

Dave.

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You simply plug your guitar into one channel of the AI, record that one channel alone as a mono track and then pan it in the DAW. It's not rocket science!

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Well Ektually, using Samplitude I can simply set it to record a "mono mix" on both channels but I have yet to find another DAW with that facility so I did not mention it!

Dave

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Well Ektually, using Samplitude I can simply set it to record a "mono mix" on both channels but I have yet to find another DAW with that facility so I did not mention it!

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Interesting! What are the advantages over recording mono and panning centre (or elsewhere)?

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Sorry i don't understand how i can record a guitar in stereo.
I assumed that being a mono instrument i'd record one take for the left and then another take for the right.

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This is an oft overlooked consequence of most audio interfaces, they don't "pan".
If you feed a single channel into a PCI soundcard from a mixer you have a choice as to where in the stereo picture the guitar appears (it is still a "mono" signal but it now has "place") you can't do that with most AIs. I guess most DAW software can do it but since I run thru a mixer I have never bothered to find out how! Had I the need, stuck with an AI, I would simply split the guitar signal to the two inputs and put them on two mono tracks.

Dave.

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hexcuuuuse me........

every interface (as opposed to converter) i've ever owned (which is more than most people will ever see, never mind own) has had panning on their monitor mixer......

RME, Focusrite, Apogee, Lexicon, MOTU, Digidesign, Yamaha, Lynx, Emagic , Event, Steinberg, to name but a few.....

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Well Ektually, using Samplitude I can simply set it to record a "mono mix" on both channels but I have yet to find another DAW with that facility so I did not mention it!

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Interesting! What are the advantages over recording mono and panning centre (or elsewhere)?

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Well I don't know E.W! I either record from a ZED10 and pan if single source, pan hard L&R if stereo/two tracks or, on the rare occaision I have a single source via an AI I just use Samplitude! Simples.

Dave.

Please excuse me too Idrys but I don't know of those AIs!

I ask in total ignorance: Is that software panning that enables one to RECORD a mono mix as against a single track?

Dave.

although i was referring to panning regarding monitoring, in some cases yes even that is possible, although why the hell you'd want to i'm not sure....


i'm not offhand aware of any real advantage of recording the sources at 2 inputs in to one track, in a DAW , given the almost limitless number of tracks supported by DAW's and computer hardware these days.


(mixers designed to operate with standalone recorders of fixed track counts are a separate matter.... if you only have an 8 track recorder, then there is obviously a need for summing busses..... and summed recording.... )