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musicmaniak



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Production problems new
      #962777 - 09/01/12 01:29 PM
First of all sorry for my bad english..

I know producers spend a lot of time produce and practising, iv been goin tru this for over a year now, im into house music and my main problem is i get stuck while im working on my track.

At the start i got plenty of ideas and later my mind goes blank.. some guys told me to work horizontaly not verical still i dont get the point .

The fact is im not improving my self and sometimes i think im the only one with this problem or maybe im not talented enough but still i wont give up.


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G-Doubleyou



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Re: Production problems [Re: musicmaniak]
      #962790 - 09/01/12 02:22 PM
It takes time to master an instrument.

It also takes even mor time to become skilled in production and recording.

Write your song first, then worry about production.



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Phil O
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Re: Production problems new [Re: G-Doubleyou]
      #962821 - 09/01/12 03:37 PM
Much can be learned from critical listening to comparable commercial releases. Take time to analyze what it is that you like / dislike about the tracks. Try to figure out how it was done and emulate it.

Read as much as possible on forums, blogs, tutorials etc and try to pick up tips and tricks.

Consider collaborating with other musicians / producers and try to learn from them.

Experiment and try random things. You'd be surprised at the results from throwing filters, FX and arpeggiators at otherwise uninteresting sounds.

Above all, set realistic goals and try to move forward at a sustainable pace.


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Richie Royale



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Re: Production problems new [Re: Phil O]
      #962826 - 09/01/12 03:48 PM
+1 to Phil's comment. Study tracks you love, recreate them to see what they are doing and eventually you will understand the general methods and be able to get on with your own creations. House music is quite standard in some aspects of the track layout, but it isn't easy to make something amzing!

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musicmaniak



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Re: Production problems new [Re: musicmaniak]
      #962832 - 09/01/12 04:01 PM
My problem is i do alot of ''Dead'' Grooves you get boored listening to them thats my prob i need that something that bring it up alive..


+ thanks for the advices cheers


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Richie Royale



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Re: Production problems new [Re: musicmaniak]
      #962853 - 09/01/12 04:50 PM
Well dance music is quite often boring unless it is being DJ'd. Most house tracks have at least 16 bars of just drums to start them off and end with, so making it can be a bit boring. What type of house are you into, it is such a big genre these days with many sub-genres, some much more interesting than others.

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onesecondglance



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Re: Production problems new [Re: musicmaniak]
      #962873 - 09/01/12 06:37 PM
i've copied my reply from your duplicate post in the Theory forum in case you didn't see it.

with house it's common to write everything in an eight or sixteen bar loop, adding as many layers as you can think of. layers of pads, leads, etc. then you write your track by changing which layers are playing at a time.

this would be what i would think of as "vertical". there are lots of layers and not a lot of structure until you've finished writing layers.

"horizontal" would be to put structure first and to create layers after you've decided how the track is going to go. so for instance:

intro
add main lead
breakdown to just bassline
add pads

etc.
etc.

so once you've decided what goes where you start writing the parts to go there.

i find that this approach is a bit restrictive and usually end up using a hybrid approach, coming up with a couple of ideas first and then sketching out a draft structure, which i keep changing as i go along and the song demands. however, if you're having trouble it may help you to work in a more structured way until you get more confidence.

a good way to get used to thinking in structures is to take a track you really like and to analyse it. listen to it and write down what happens like i did above, noting down the different sections and parts of the arrangement. you could even note down what key the different sections are in – if, for instance, the chorus was in a different key to the verse. this will get you thinking about what makes these tracks work. if you’re still struggling, use your notes to try and create a track that copies the structure and arrangement of one of your favourites.

not every track has to be perfect – if they help you learn and get better it doesn’t matter if it’s a copy of something else.

good luck!

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