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comets in caves



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Mix feedback: new track here new
      #964151 - 15/01/12 09:50 AM
Hi guys, in the advanced stages of this one. Would love feedback on whether or not the mix and balances here work and translate across whatever your listening to this on ok--happy to hear any specific notes things you noticed positive or negative.
Thanks!
Adam

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Re: Mix feedback: new track here new [Re: comets in caves]
      #964156 - 15/01/12 11:16 AM
A good start. I like the backing a lot.

But...

As the introduction comes to a close we're left anticipating the arrival of the vocal with some eagerness, but the dodgy performance and vocal tone is a bit of a disappointment. The high notes aren't being hit cleanly, which makes the performance less believable, and I'm just not getting the feeling that the singer is committed to the story.

The voice is buried back in the mix that it seems a bit shy to be heard, which doesn't feel right for the song. I'd say the vocal should demand our attention and be strong and proud - a Marilyn Manson 'LISTEN THE HELL TO ME!' sort of feel! Tonally the voice needs brightening too - a bit of aggressive distortion might help, but not until the performance can stand up without any production trickery.

I also feel the song could develop a bit more - maybe a breakdown, or at least something to remove us from the comfortable feeling that we know what's coming next. As it is, where the drums mute for a few bars, the rest of the backing just continues without challenging our expectation - it's just a bit too safe.

All just IMHO, of course.

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Re: Mix feedback: new track here new [Re: The Elf]
      #964157 - 15/01/12 11:31 AM
Quote The Elf:


As the introduction comes to a close we're left anticipating the arrival of the vocal with some eagerness, but the dodgy performance and vocal tone is a bit of a disappointment. The high notes aren't being hit cleanly, which makes the performance less believable, and I'm just not getting the feeling that the singer is committed to the story.

The voice is buried back in the mix that it seems a bit shy to be heard, which doesn't feel right for the song. I'd say the vocal should demand our attention and be strong and proud - a Marilyn Manson 'LISTEN THE HELL TO ME!' sort of feel! Tonally the voice needs brightening too - a bit of aggressive distortion might help, but not until the performance can stand up without any production trickery.

I also feel the song could develop a bit more - maybe a breakdown, or at least something to remove us from the comfortable feeling that we know what's coming next. As it is, where the drums mute for a few bars, the rest of the backing just continues without challenging our expectation - it's just a bit too safe.

All just IMHO, of course.

HTH!




Wow that's amazing feedback thanks a lot for really giving that so much thought. I can see what you're saying about the vocals; also that's a really good point about the breakdown and expectations and playing it safe too, I can totally see that as well, maybe will try some different things there. Really fantastic feedback thanks so much!


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Re: Mix feedback: new track here new [Re: comets in caves]
      #964468 - 16/01/12 10:06 PM
Nice Peter Gabriel yelps at 1'08

I also like the marimba-type sound and the ambiguity between major and minor.

I don't have anything useful to add to Elf's great analysis apart from I think it sounds a little soupy in the 400-1000 range.

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Re: Mix feedback: new track here new [Re: oggyb]
      #964480 - 16/01/12 11:19 PM
Quote oggyb:

Nice Peter Gabriel yelps at 1'08

I also like the marimba-type sound and the ambiguity between major and minor.

I don't have anything useful to add to Elf's great analysis apart from I think it sounds a little soupy in the 400-1000 range.




I think the frequency balance issues go quote a lot further than that!

Ditto mix balance!

Ditto stereo balance!

Ditto performance issues!

Ditto arrangement issues!

It is also repetitive!

Did I say it is repetitive?

On the plus side if I ever wanted a pair of shoulder pads, I am sure this song would come with a pair included.

Now we can all be very nicey-nicey about this mix, but it is a million miles away from where it needs to be and until this guy gets a minimum of the kick, the bass and the vocal where they should be in the mix balance, it will stay a million miles away from where it needs to be.

Sorry, but somebody had to be the nasty guy.

Try listening to some reference material!!!!

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Re: Mix feedback: new track here [Re: oggyb]
      #964521 - 17/01/12 08:00 AM
Quote oggyb:

Nice Peter Gabriel yelps at 1'08

I also like the marimba-type sound and the ambiguity between major and minor.

I don't have anything useful to add to Elf's great analysis apart from I think it sounds a little soupy in the 400-1000 range.




Thanks man, I"ll definitely revisit that frequency range you mentioned, really appreciate your thoughts!


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