Phil0
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Behringer digital snake
#965273 - 20/01/12 06:15 PM
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So the new S16 digital snake has been announced but not expected until quarter 1 2013
priced at $699 for 16 in and 8 out. Apparently you can use it with other mixers and still
retain controllable remote pre amps(how?). Sounds great to me and a huge step forward in
affordable digital snakes shame its such a long wait. Is there anyone here whos been to
namm and had a chat with them to give us any more info? We need a new multicore and are
considering holding out for this, any other thoughts from people who may be thinking about
getting one? http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/S16.aspxhttp://www.behringer.com/assets/S16_Webbrochure.pdfhttp://www.facebook.com/BEHRINGER
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Hugh Robjohns
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Phil0]
#965278 - 20/01/12 06:33 PM
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Quote Phil0:
Apparently you can
use it with other mixers and still retain controllable remote pre amps(how?).
You can only use it with other mixers
that have the AES-50 ultranet interface.
It's not really a 'snake' in the
normal sense of the word. Think of it more like a remote I/O section for a compatible
digital desk.
Quote:
Sounds great to me and a huge step forward in affordable digital snakes
Part of the cost-reduction is beacuse it's
only half a normal digital snake solution. The unit is the stage end, but there is no
compatible FOH end (yet... and there may never be!).
hugh
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Phil0
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#965317 - 20/01/12 10:14 PM
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Hi, thanks for replying, we currently use a Yamaha ls9 32, do you know if there's a MY
card that offers aes50? I couldn't see one here: http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/interfaces/miniygdai/
Although they have some using cat5 I'm guessing it has to be that specific
protocol, is that correct?
My other thought was this company, it requires
some soldering to adapt some ada8000s so I thought waiting for the Behringer S16 may be
better but if it hasn't got a FOH end maybe this is currently the best solution.
http://www.appsys.ch/products/34-digitalaudio/55-adx32badx64b#TechnischeDa
ten
Edited by Phil0 (20/01/12 10:15 PM)
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Hugh Robjohns
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Phil0]
#965374 - 21/01/12 01:54 PM
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Quote Phil0:
do you know if
there's a MY card that offers aes50?
Not at present. Yamaha currently make interfaces for Ethersound and Cobranet
systems, but not AES-50. They might in the future, but I'm not aware of anything in the
pipeline at the moment.
Quote:
Although they have some using cat5 I'm guessing it has to be that
specific protocol, is that correct?
Yes, AES-50 (also called SuperMac) is a layer-1 protocol that employs standard
Ethernet cabling and connectors but operates under bespoke ‘media access control’
protocols which aren’t compatible with mainstream Ethernet or IP systems at all.
Ethersound and Cobranet are layer2 (data-link) protocols which wrap the digital
audio data into standard data packets and can therefore operate within standard Ethernet
networks – although some systems may still require dedicated audio-only networks to
guarantee stable latencies and data capacities. Other (non-inter-compatible) Layer 2
systems include the AES-51 format, Allen & Heath’s ACE, Calrec’s Hydra system and
Roland’s REAC format.
Full ‘Network’ or ‘Layer 3’ systems fully
embrace the IP standard and are completely compatible with all standard networking systems
(although most cannot be used over the Internet). The Institute of Electrical and
Electronics Engineers (IEEE) is working on international standards for the transport of
audio and video over Ethernet within the layer 3 protocol under the ‘AVB’ group, and
presumably this will eventually become the ‘industry standard’ format. Current Layer 3
systems include ALC NetworX’s Ravenna, Audinate’s Dante, QSC Audio’s Q-LAN, and
Telos Axia’s LiveWire... But for a future-proof system, AVB is probably the format to
look out for.
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My other thought was this company
I don't have any experience of that system but it appears to be a Layer 1
protocol design. Latency figures are very good.
hugh
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Technical Editor, Sound On Sound
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Phil0
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Phil0]
#965659 - 22/01/12 10:50 PM
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Thanks I found that really informative.
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Daniel Davis
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Phil0]
#965664 - 22/01/12 11:41 PM
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Behringer digital snake.... ...does it hiss?
-------------------- Daniel Davis
Edinburgh Recording Studio Windmill Sound
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Appsys
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#973015 - 29/02/12 10:07 AM
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Quote:
My other thought was this
company
I don't have any
experience of that system but it appears to be a Layer 1 protocol design. Latency figures
are very good.
hugh
Yes, it's a straight Layer 1 protocol (ADAT over RS485). Latency is very low because
(apart from media conversion) no data translation happens at all - the whole system acts
as "very long TOSLINK (Lightpipe) cables.
Regarding Behringer's S16 snake, I
have plans to develop an interface to existing systems (ADAT or MADI) so you can use the
S16's with your existing gear.
Kind Regards,
Rolf
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Home of the ADX digital snake and Remote Gain Control Modkit
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Hugh Robjohns
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Appsys]
#973024 - 29/02/12 10:30 AM
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Thanks for that Rolf. Very helpful... and interesting  hugh
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shufflebeat
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Daniel Davis]
#973121 - 29/02/12 03:45 PM
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Quote Daniel Davis:
Behringer
digital snake....
...does it hiss?
Probably but much less than an analogue one
and, being Behringer, not for long.
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Ohm's Law states, "Your PA isn't as powerful as you think it is".
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Dmac
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: Daniel Davis]
#973134 - 29/02/12 04:53 PM
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Quote Daniel Davis:
Behringer
digital snake....
...does it hiss?
Technically, it's more of a shaped dither...
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Bossman
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Re: Behringer digital snake
[Re: shufflebeat]
#973257 - 01/03/12 09:32 AM
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Quote shufflebeat:
Quote Daniel Davis:
Behringer
digital snake....
...does it hiss?
Probably but much less than an analogue one
and, being Behringer, not for long.
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