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ProximityProduction



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Please be critical, mix feedback... new
      #967752 - 01/02/12 02:41 PM
So I'm working on this ATM: http://soundcloud.com/proximitystudio/puppeteer

I've been lost the ability to be subjective with it anymore, and while I have an ear break I thought I'd open up the floor to experienced bods.

I would very much appreciate some constructive feedback on what could be done with this mix/production to improve it. FWIW I recorded it in my bedroom w/ MB Pro, logic, Saffire Pro40, Rode NT5 pair, SE2200, AKG D11 and a handful of naff unbranded dynamic mics.

Would very much appreciate advice!

thanks



J


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Jonnypopisical



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Re: Please be critical, mix feedback... new [Re: ProximityProduction]
      #967769 - 01/02/12 04:08 PM
Hi, Main issues are:

1. Timing between strumming acoustic guitar and drums / bass - just to messy

2. Vocals - need more compression and level to cut through the mix - also the timing and phrasing are too loose for me - At times it seems you have too many word to fit some lines!

Sort the above out and come back....

I like the general warm sound and ideas - just need some sorting out....IMHO

JP

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Re: Please be critical, mix feedback... new [Re: Jonnypopisical]
      #967775 - 01/02/12 04:20 PM
Noted! Will get a chance to sort it out tomorrow morning and I'll post back up here when I have. Unfortunately the chap that sung it was adamant about the lyrics, will try and chop it around to fix phrasing though. cheers


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Re: Please be critical, mix feedback... new [Re: ProximityProduction]
      #967779 - 01/02/12 04:34 PM
Quote ProximityProduction:

Noted! Will get a chance to sort it out tomorrow morning and I'll post back up here when I have. Unfortunately the chap that sung it was adamant about the lyrics, will try and chop it around to fix phrasing though. cheers




Then I think you have a major problem - either he needs to re-sing it more in time or sack him!

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Re: Please be critical, mix feedback... new [Re: ProximityProduction]
      #967780 - 01/02/12 04:51 PM
Quote ProximityProduction:

the chap that sung it was adamant about the lyrics



Unfortunately you do get this. The smart, experienced guys will listen and take criticism/suggestions in good part. Others simply won't.

You can always add/remove 'noise words' that will get the song's meaning across in a way that also scans with the melody. The lyrics here do sound a bit 'wordy' and that's OK, but he has to be able to deliver them - unfortunately he doesn't. He's struggling to fit a couple of lines and his pitching is a bit iffy in places too. It's a shame, because his voice is actually quite good when he's comfortable.

The crunchy backing vocals are, ahem... not very good. The idea is fine, but they need to be delivered by someone who can perform them. As it is they sound a bit naive.

You've made a decent recording and it sounds OK for what it is. Sure, it sounds a bit congested and bedroomy, but that's fine - it actually has a certain charm.

You could now spend weeks editing and tweaking this to perfection, but I'd say don't, Learn from what you've done and go onto the next song - you'll get better and better.

HTH!

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Re: Please be critical, mix feedback... [Re: The Elf]
      #967835 - 01/02/12 10:36 PM
Quote The Elf:


You can always add/remove 'noise words' that will get the song's meaning across in a way that also scans with the melody. The lyrics here do sound a bit 'wordy' and that's OK, but he has to be able to deliver them - unfortunately he doesn't. He's struggling to fit a couple of lines and his pitching is a bit iffy in places too.




I'll get the scissors out and get melodyne running on overtime then, unfortunately he won't be around to rerecord the vocals anytime soon.

Quote The Elf:


You've made a decent recording and it sounds OK for what it is. Sure, it sounds a bit congested and bedroomy, but that's fine - it actually has a certain charm.
HTH!




In terms of this mix, how can I avoid the bedroomy sound? I'm thinking of getting rid of one of the acoustic guitars, with fresh ears they just sound like they're fighting each other and it should make it a bit less congested. Unfortunately as nice as it would be to just move onto the next one I want to get this sounding as good as it can be.

Thanks for the response


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Re: Please be critical, mix feedback... new [Re: ProximityProduction]
      #967983 - 02/02/12 08:31 PM
VERSION 2

http://soundcloud.com/proximitystudio/puppeteer-v2

I've had a play round with the timing, hopefully its nicer on the ears now. Unfortunately I couldn't do anything with the vocal phrasing, I did try but since the lyrics are so bunched up it just covered it in horrible artefacts.
I've taken a few elements out to try and unclutter the mix too.

If anyone is willing to feedback on the mix I'd be very grateful!

Ta

j.


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