brucie
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Seymour Duncan P Rails
#938024 - 01/09/11 03:41 PM
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Hi all, Another question about something I can't currently get access to. I
have been looking at the P Rails pickups as a solution to multiple guitars. Has anyone
used them? Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!! Neil
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#938930 - 06/09/11 01:55 PM
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Is this a solution to multiple guitars for recording or playing live?
Are you aiming
to have one guitar that can sound like a les paul or a strat at the flick of a switch?
If for recording of perfect imitations then I think you could be disappointed.
If you want a versatile guitar with a number of disctinct sounds of it's own which is
very versatile live then you'd be onto a winner.
I built an SG a while ago with
a p-rails in the bridge position and full switching of coil modes.
It records well
and has a character of it's own but doesn't particularly sound like other guitars, but it
has a good sound. Where it really comes into it's own is live,it's great being able to
very quickly move through a set of coil configurations to tailor the sound.
Regards,
Grant.
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: RhinoTime]
#939096 - 07/09/11 08:04 AM
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+1. I agree with what has been said, I built a PRS style guitar with two p-rails in
it.
I wired it with a mini toggle switch that switches between humbucker, rail coil
and p90
coils for both pickups simultaneously, along with the regular pickup
selector switch for
neck /both /bridge. Although I could have wired it for even more
tonal variation, it is a
fantastic live guitar with ample tonal possibilities. It
doesn't sound exactly like a strat or
a les Paul but has a beautiful sound of its
own in all switch positions. I've never recorded
with it.
Dan
Edited by Dan LB (07/09/11 08:13 AM)
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#939121 - 07/09/11 09:53 AM
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Hi Guys, Thanks for that! Sorry should have said from the outset that it was
for live use. I came across them after noticing that Ty Tabor of Kings X was using them to
get different album vibes when touring. I basically have a guitar that is in desperate
need of new pick ups and I thought they sounded (no pun intended) quite interesting. The
idea of going from a stratish type tone to a humbuckerish to a P90ish type sound in one
guitar seems like a fantastic idea, means not having to carry around my strat etc for
gigging use, where I am more concerned on getting a tone similar rather than nailing the
exact tone. That is to say, I am looking for a nice clean tone, a nice stratish blues
tone, a classic rock tone and a driven tone. Regardless of how they compare to
the actual guitars, do you think that they sound good?  Thanks Neil
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#939257 - 07/09/11 05:11 PM
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No, not good, I'd say they sound excellent for what they cost and the versatility that
they offer.
regards,
Grant.
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#968771 - 07/02/12 01:26 PM
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Resurrecting this from the dead thread list! Basically I bit the bullet and got one of my
guitars fitted with P-rails and all I can say is wow I am really glad that I did. as
mentioned above, perhaps they aren't best sounding rail, P90 or humbucker you can find,
but as a combination they are fantastic and to be honest I really like the open sound of
the P90/rail humbucker combination, it feels and sound really open. They aren't gain
monsters obviously but in a function band they are perfect as you can dial up a wide range
of tones without needing to switch guitars!! Fantsastic! I put together a
couple of review clips in case anyone is interested in getting an idea of what they sound
like! http://youtu.be/ibJk4pLKqPU - Through clean channel of Blackstar
HT-20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obvT13yzB0s - Through distorted
channel of a Blackstar HT-20 All the best Neil
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#968794 - 07/02/12 02:33 PM
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Nice.  What guitar is it you are playing m8?
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Findo
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: mick.n]
#968806 - 07/02/12 03:16 PM
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I tried an esp with p-rails in it (pb-401??) and was really impressed. In fact I would
have bought it had the neck not been a bit on the thin side for my liking.
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
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#968813 - 07/02/12 03:33 PM
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Quote mick.n:
Nice.
What
guitar is it you are playing m8?
Hi Mick,
It is the strangest guitar really, it is the only guitar I
have ever brought 2nd hand and which also isn't an Ibanez but I just couldn't put it down.
It is an ESP Ltd something or other, I am not 100% sure what. It has been through the wars
after falling forward at a gig and the neck split, but Steve at the guitar repair workshop
in Manchester did and amazing job and it is simply a fantastic guitar I think. (I have
also had the trem blocked now).
Thanks
Neil
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: Findo]
#968814 - 07/02/12 03:35 PM
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Quote Findo:
I tried an esp with
p-rails in it (pb-401??) and was really impressed. In fact I would have bought it had the
neck not been a bit on the thin side for my liking.
Hi Findo,
That is quite interesting as I think the
neck on mine is actually quite Strat like in profile. The fretboard is rather flat but the
neck does have a bit of chunk to it, considerably thicker than the Ibanez wizard necks on
the RG550s. But a long way of from a Les Paul
Thanks
Neil
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Findo
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#968828 - 07/02/12 04:26 PM
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yes - it wasn't especially thin, but I was after something more akin to a 50s LP shape. I
expect the shop still has it - might give it another try during half term. ESP had never
even been on my radar so I was pleasantly suprised!
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#968891 - 07/02/12 09:34 PM
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And thanks for making the effort to update us on your findings Neil Andy 
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brucie
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: Findo]
#969049 - 08/02/12 03:19 PM
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Quote Findo:
ESP had never even
been on my radar so I was pleasantly suprised!
Funny you should say that it was never on mine! I only picked it
up in a shop to try out an amp....with no intention at all of buying a guitar, hence the
reason for picking up a second hand one so that there was no chance I would buy it! (ooops
the dangers of trying guitars!)
Andy - No worries, hope it was of some use to
some one, I know I spent ages deliberating, as I was also considering Bare Knuckle VH or
Miracle Man pickups (apparently they coil tap well), it is simple a really hard choice
when you can't actually hear them and the web demos aren't great. Although having said
that I do love my Di Marzio Evo;s which are in my Ibanezes (Ibani?)
All the
best,
Neil
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#969056 - 08/02/12 04:01 PM
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as a result of all this, i rather fancy a P-rail to go in the neck of one of my Jem , or
maybe RG, , or a pair for my hard tail SZ
damn, more on the never
ending shopping list.
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#969128 - 08/02/12 08:30 PM
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Yep, I was curious too. Now I'm also in the tempted category. A couple of P
Rails and some creative wiring techniques (like those used in the Peavey Jerry Donahue
model for example) could make for a very versatile guitar indeed. Andy
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#969151 - 08/02/12 10:30 PM
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the one I played had a small 3-position toggle switch that set both pups in either SC, p90
or HB mode. Nice and simple, but more useful for live playing would be a 3 position
toggle switch for each pickup.
Then effectively you could be playing a guitar
with a p90 at the bridge and a SC at the neck, or a HB at the bridge and a p90 at the neck
etc. (I'd stop there - others might want series / parrallel and phase switching
options...too much for me!)
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#969183 - 09/02/12 08:12 AM
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Many years ago when my son was into his "Angus Young" period I fitted a Hot rails in the
bridge posistion and also had an extra fret fitted to his Eastern Block 100quid Strat. I
also fitted a rake of mini-toggles that would select just about every pup combination, he
seemed happy with the result.
Sadly the guitar and battery amp I also made were
nicked whist busking in Paris!
Dave.
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: brucie]
#970239 - 15/02/12 12:23 PM
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Ooops hope I am not guilty of spreading a bout of GAS Great pickups, not for the metallers I would say....and having said that I am now
looking to replace a set in a 7 string...something nice a hot me thinks.....Bare Knuckles
website here I come.....unless anyone has any suggestions! Thanks Neil
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: zenguitar]
#971491 - 21/02/12 09:04 PM
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Quote zenguitar:
Yep, I was
curious too. Now I'm also in the tempted category.
A couple of P Rails and some
creative wiring techniques (like those used in the Peavey Jerry Donahue model for example)
could make for a very versatile guitar indeed.
Andy
just discovered these:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/accessories/triple-shot-mou/triple_s
hot_swi/
which look like a pretty smart solution...
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Re: Seymour Duncan P Rails
[Re: Findo]
#971542 - 22/02/12 12:45 AM
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Quote Findo:
Quote zenguitar:
Yep, I was
curious too. Now I'm also in the tempted category.
A couple of P Rails and some
creative wiring techniques (like those used in the Peavey Jerry Donahue model for example)
could make for a very versatile guitar indeed.
Andy
just discovered these:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/accessories/triple-shot-mou/triple_s
hot_swi/
which look like a pretty smart solution...
And at first glance they have hacking
potential too
Andy
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