Persuazion
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Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
#969298 - 09/02/12 03:42 PM
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Yeah... Basically what the title says... There's nothing like the real thing.
I've got a few tricks up mi sleeve, as I'm sure we all do, for mock doubling, but I hear
there are pretty good plugs? EG... Today, the artist just couldn't match up any
takes well enough, it's just a rough demo he's after so I would (grudgingly) use a quick
fix plugin if it did the job. As I say, Mac G5, Logic 8. Any
tips? Cheers all!
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Dunc off of moos
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969300 - 09/02/12 03:51 PM
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Hi,
There are plugs but I use logics own processers - any daw will do.
Send Voc channel to 2 buses
Delay one say 8ms the other 10ms. Mix 100 wet
Pan
one hard left, one hard right
I use a pitch shifter on each and adjust a couple of
cents sometimes but not always.
Blend the sends with the original voc channel to
taste.
I have this in my start up template I use it so often on pop vocals.
Cheers
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Mick DeBollix
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969303 - 09/02/12 03:58 PM
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There's Vacuumsounds ADT ...
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Tomás Mulcahy
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Mick DeBollix]
#969323 - 09/02/12 05:23 PM
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You probably already have the tape delay plugin, IIRC it has an ADT preset. If not: use
its filter to roll off above 10kHz or so, delay time 10 to 50ms, and apply a touch of
slowish modulation to emulate the wow and flutter of the tape machine. If you want a
Beatles effect, don't pan it just balance it so it ghosts the original vocal. Magic. Well
actually with the Beatles one, the "delayed" signal was ahead of the original vocal, but
that doesn't make a big difference to how it's perceived.
Any delay that has
a filter and delay time modulation can be set like this.
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Billum
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969366 - 09/02/12 11:52 PM
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+1 for VacuumSounds ADT, which definitely has a Mac version.
http://www.vacuumsound.de/plugins.html
Edited by Billum (09/02/12 11:52 PM)
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Exalted Wombat
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969371 - 10/02/12 12:23 AM
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Quote Persuazion:
There's nothing
like the real thing. I've got a few tricks up mi sleeve, as I'm sure we all do, for mock
doubling, but I hear there are pretty good plugs?
EG... Today, the artist just
couldn't match up any takes well enough, it's just a rough demo he's after so I would
(grudgingly) use a quick fix plugin if it did the job.
What job do you want it to do? I double
(triple) track because it covers up tuning problems. It used to surprise me how vocalists
who couldn't sing in tune nevertheless had no problem coming up with repeat performances
that match up almost perfectly. Now I almost take it for granted!
But if
you've come up against one who's inconsistent, what will mechanical double-tracking
achieve other than reinforcing the blemishes?
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Persuazion
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Exalted Wombat]
#969376 - 10/02/12 01:32 AM
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It's rapping. Should have said that. So it's all timing issues. Can't repeat the same
rhythm twice! So ADT would be just the job.
I do plenty work arounds,
including Multing to melodyne, delaying, modulating etc, etc... Got channel strips saved
specifically for my 'mock' ADTs but wouldn't mind a plug I could just slap on.
I couldn't check in today so I'll have a look at the linked plug tomorrow.. Sounds
promising.
Any others?
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Edited by Persuazion (10/02/12 01:33 AM)
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Richie Royale
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969391 - 10/02/12 08:47 AM
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I record rappers often and usually just nudge back ups into time if they are out. I've
only had one rapper who couldn't back themselves up, but even then I used cuts from
earlier takes and the dodgy back up and nudged them into place. If you do use
some form of ADT, I would probably edit it to only back up select points, unless you want
the 2Pac sound with the entire verse doubled. Ideally you would make the
rapper do it until he could get it on point, but I understand if you don't have all the
time in the world to get the performance as it should be.
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Tomás Mulcahy
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969442 - 10/02/12 11:32 AM
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ADT would sound very odd with a rapper I think. There is a c. £1000 plugin I can't
remember the name of, which is used in post for ADR. It automatically lines up one phrase
with another... if you want to do it quickly, you could try the audio quantise in Logic?
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Exalted Wombat
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969449 - 10/02/12 11:50 AM
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Quote Persuazion:
It's rapping.
Should have said that. So it's all timing issues. Can't repeat the same rhythm twice! So
ADT would be just the job.
I do plenty work arounds, including Multing to
melodyne, delaying, modulating etc, etc... Got channel strips saved specifically for my
'mock' ADTs but wouldn't mind a plug I could just slap on.
But you haven't answered my question. What
is double-tracking meant to achieve? Particularly with a rapper? It certainly won't make
the words clearer!
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Richie Royale
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969458 - 10/02/12 12:13 PM
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It adds body, but as I said before you are better off with another take as most back ups
in rap add a bit more character to the main vocal and punctuate the 'punchlines'. If the rapper can't match his own rap, make him do it until he can. If it takes 20
takes, then so be it.
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The Red Bladder
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969469 - 10/02/12 12:53 PM
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The answer to the OP is Reaper, the effect is - JS Stillwell Ozzifier. You can record
slowly in Reaper and then speed it up a bit to get those mega-fast raps and the Ozzifier
will double, treble or whatever you need (up to six voices) without all that mucking about
with 20 takes!
And ReaTune will do all your harmonies!
Now your
customers can sound like Busta Rhymes!
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Persuazion
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: The Red Bladder]
#969512 - 10/02/12 05:01 PM
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Thanks folks!  Just to be clear... I have recorded a few rappers in my time with proper
budgets  ... This is just a young chap doing a demo. My reasons are simple... He wants
'that' sound. He really couldn't repeat the same thing twice (inc lyrics). So mocking it
up for him is the easiest way. All done now anyway with Melodyne, delays and some
chopping. As I say though, it would be nice to have a simple plug I could slap on for
these emergencies. Didn't get a look at the linked one, will do at some point I'm sure. Cheers all.
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JamesSimpson
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: Persuazion]
#969689 - 11/02/12 11:38 PM
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Get him to quad track it, emphasizing the appropriate words. Vocalign go down
to seperate words if you need to. I love vocalign.
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Tomás Mulcahy
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Re: Any good (free would be nice) Auto Double Tracking plugs? Mac. Old G5.
[Re: JamesSimpson]
#969860 - 13/02/12 11:03 AM
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Quote JamesSimpson:
Vocalign
Thanks! That's the one. Probably one
of the oldest plugins still in use.
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