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Ken's earlier comment rings true, it's have and have nots debate.

The iPad is not a substitute for a PC - it's an different device which can do some of the same things, can't do certain things and can do certain things that a PC either can't do or is cumbersome for.

Arguing it is better or worse than a PC is nonsense. If it suits your work flow then it's a useful tool - that's all.

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Agreed 100% i still use Reaper and Kontakt on various PCs for mixing and playing samples off, I still use the r16 to record my band. It's horses for courses, exactly as you say.

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my only comment on "the new iPad" is that they're going to wish they gave it a different name in six months time.

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Good try, but it is £160 more than an iPad 2, and it doesnt have a keyboard, is not polyphonic or anything like as sophisticated as Animoog.

Also, how does one browse the net, read ebooks, play Call of Cthulhu: the Wasted Land etc. on it?

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I have an iPad2 and abunch of audio apps the pattern for me is....

1) get excited and buy the app
2) play it for a few hours
3) never use it again

YMMV

I really like the garage band app though - that one is really well done. As a control surface it is hard to beat.

I do feel apple have lost the plot slightly - as while an improved screen is great it is not a game changer. I missed the Steve Jobs bit where he says "and one more thing...." where was the one more thing?

AppleTV is still not great also IMO (1080p is catching up not trend setting)

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Couldn't agree more. I find it idiotic when people buy an ipad just for the Animoog app hahahah for that money you can buy a real moog and it's not made by 12yr olds in slave camps let alone probs last longer than what is a pointless electronic device that gets out dated every year and ends up in landfill

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Here is what I find idiotic. Scarcely literate kids that post utter drivel in topics that they neither have any real knowledge of, or even an interest in.
Maybe iPads don't suit what you do, or your way of working. But they must suit a lot of people, because Apple can't sell enough of the things. Indeed iOS devices have made Apple into one of the worlds largest companies. I think they must be doing something right.
Made by 12 year olds: You must be quite dim if you believe everything you read in the Daily Mail/internets.. Apple don't even make the things. Foxconn do. Foxconn make kit for a LOT of different companies, many PC companies included. Likely even for the computer you are using now.
Landfill: And you would know that, how? From your saturday job at the local tip? Or, as I suspect, you pulled that silly comment right out of your backside.

As for Moog.. Animoog just wouldn't work on any other computer/interface. Hence why Moog have embraced it. Come to think of it.. A lot of musical companies of significance appear to have placed quite some faith in the iOS platform. Including, Yamaha, Native Instruments, Korg, Mackie, Izotope, Propellerheads, Fairlight etc.. On top of those, there are a multitude of smaller companies that are coming out with some really cool stuff too.

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What I really need is a small underpowered computer, preferbaly one without a keyboard or easy way to connect any of the interfaces I have. Hopefully it wont be up to running any of the DAW's I like or burning data onto a DVD. Perhaps though, it could be so slim and good looking that I would overlook its flaws and waste most of my day on it, cooing over its pert 8 track sequencer and pretty display - instead of doing real work.

Is there such a machine?

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I expect you remember all too well those DAT tape data backup drives you could get for computers. Are you sore that the iPad doesn't have one of those? And, iPads don't have a 5.25" floppy drive drive either. It's crazy isn't it!? It's almost as if Apple refuse to believe it's still 1990.
(Not that Apple, Acer, Dell and a multitude of other companies won't still sell you a big ugly power hungry behemoth of a desktop computer, if thats what you really want)


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I think thats a little over the top really. It was just a little joke. No need to get personal.

The opposite of an ipad is not an ancient desktop - for £400 you can get what you need to produce tracks to take over the world - probably from Dixons.

It is the ipad that is the anachronism - doing with underpowered machines when everything needed to follow a production from begining to end has been available for years.

The political question - about slave labour and land fills - is relevant. Why are you accused of being an idiot kid if you care about the endless chucking away of 'obselete' technology?

Apple gets a ticking off for this because unlike other companies - they pretended they are some kind of company for sound people - and made the ipads in open plan factories using newly graduated hipsters sitting on beanbags.

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I think thats a little over the top really. It was just a little joke. No need to get personal.

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It is the ipad that is the anachronism - doing with underpowered machines when everything needed to follow a production from begining to end has been available for years.

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You are completely ignoring the user interface. In theory of course a big ugly PC is a lot more powerful than an iPad. This doesn't mean that it will necessarily be better for being creative with.

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The political question - about slave labour and land fills - is relevant.

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Really? Since when did people give a crap about that? During the whole digital revolution I can't remember that many people cheering for joy that we don't have to use extremely environmentally-unfriendly materials like film, tape and vinyl. How often do you change your computer? As opposed to using plastic, taking flights, driving...

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Apple gets a ticking off for this because unlike other companies - they pretended they are some kind of company for sound people - and made the ipads in open plan factories using newly graduated hipsters sitting on beanbags.

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No, they never did this. They get a ticking off because they care about design and are not prepared to cut as many corners as other computer / electronics manufacturers. Your comments about hipsters on beanbags shows you are just scared of people who you fear might be younger and / or having more fun than you.

I'm not scared or jealous of these people. Though apparently - like the adverts say they are having more fun than me! I just hate the vacuous emptyness of tech talk - in the context of MUSIC.

And I give a crap about the mountains of useless waste piling up in 're-cycling' centres, and I give a crap about the use and abuse of people mining the chemicals needed for todays disposable tech.

And I realise that by taking part in this I am doing the same thing as I cant abide - on line forum tech wars... nothing to do with music...arrgh...!!!

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It is the ipad that is the anachronism - doing with underpowered machines when everything needed to follow a production from begining to end has been available for years.

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Well that is the best statement I've read here in a long time.

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Written on my iPad.

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It is the ipad that is the anachronism - doing with underpowered machines when everything needed to follow a production from begining to end has been available for years.

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Well that is the best statement I've read here in a long time.

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This is the problem... you guys are falling over yourselves to tell us why the iPad is a load of old rubbish, or at least, the Emperors New Clothes, when we *know* (because we actually *use* them all the time) that they are really, really very good indeed. You're just being silly, and it's no wonder it comes across to some as sour grapes.

Its nothing to do with being Apple lovers (I'm not) or PC haters (again, I am not) or whatever.

This business about landfill and "slave labour" is irrelevant to a discussion about whether the iPad is a good bit of equipment or not. Save it for a thread about the ethics of our Western tech-obsessed consumer lifestyles in general, which can include everything from PCs to mobile phones to microphones and synths.

It's disingenuous and hypocritical to target the iPad in particular, especially on a very consumerist, techy forum like this. And it certainly has nothing to do with a discussion about whether they are any good or not.

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Good try, but it is £160 more than an iPad 2, and it doesnt have a keyboard, is not polyphonic or anything like as sophisticated as Animoog.

Also, how does one browse the net, read ebooks, play Call of Cthulhu: the Wasted Land etc. on it?

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Lol, I imagine polyphonic Taurus pedals would sound suitably subterranean and terrifying! Lovecraft - The Musical here we go!

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As I own an iPad and use it quite extensively I wish to state that:

1) It is not a computer replacement for music production.
2) It is not yet a fully reliable computer replacement for email - "this message has not been downloaded"
3) It is not yet a full replacement for internet...no flash, though websites that don't provide an alternative for iOS are getting fewer
4) It is an amazingly easy device to use, far easier than a normal computer. An 85 year old friend of my wife gets confused by a computer, but she can operate her iPad and has enjoyed it for 6 months now. My cousin's 2 year old son can also use an iPad perfectly well, but struggles with a normal computer.
5) It is great as an extra instrument given the right app.
6) It is great as a control surface for those tasks that need a control surface. I use it for live gigs when a digital desk that has a app is in use.
7) It is not a replacement for office based tasks, such as word/excel/powerpoint (other office programs are available), though the apps available for these tasks are getting better.
8) It is far more portable than a laptop, and a far better travelling companion than my MBP.
9) Apple are not a paragon of virtue, and will not be solving world hunger or putting forward a plan for peace on earth.
10) People who have a problem with the iPad seem to talk about it loads. You don't see the same ire directed at any other tablet device, even though they all basically have the same limitations.

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What I really need is a small underpowered computer, preferbaly one without a keyboard or easy way to connect any of the interfaces I have. Hopefully it wont be up to running any of the DAW's I like or burning data onto a DVD. Perhaps though, it could be so slim and good looking that I would overlook its flaws and waste most of my day on it, cooing over its pert 8 track sequencer and pretty display - instead of doing real work.

Is there such a machine?

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It is the ipad that is the anachronism - doing with underpowered machines when everything needed to follow a production from begining to end has been available for years.

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This is the problem... you guys are falling over yourselves to tell us why the iPad is a load of old rubbish, or at least, the Emperors New Clothes, when we *know* (because we actually *use* them all the time) that they are really, really very good indeed. You're just being silly, and it's no wonder it comes across to some as sour grapes.

Its nothing to do with being Apple lovers (I'm not) or PC haters (again, I am not) or whatever.

This business about landfill and "slave labour" is irrelevant to a discussion about whether the iPad is a good bit of equipment or not. Save it for a thread about the ethics of our Western tech-obsessed consumer lifestyles in general, which can include everything from PCs to mobile phones to microphones and synths.

It's disingenuous and hypocritical to target the iPad in particular, especially on a very consumerist, techy forum like this. And it certainly has nothing to do with a discussion about whether they are any good or not.

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why did you quote me? the points you address have nothing to do with my views. I'm not saying the ipad is rubbish, just that there is no practical need for it currently - convenient? yes.. It doesn't do what a MBP or PC laptop does already though. So though the interfacing is much better than those devices, it just can't replace them at the moment. Can you genuinely say, if you already have MBP or PC Laptop, whatever, that you *really* need an iPad? No. I don't think so.

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I use an iPad 1 for music and it is very good. I've mentioned before an exhaustive list of uses - but the list includes great synthesizers and groove boxes, ever improving Notation packages, excellent DAW wireless controller; and now with MIDI edit in Garageband (among other excellent DAWs) it offers real recording capabilities. It also allows me to store 20,000+ pages of documentation for all the equipment in my facility; and for studying orchestral music where pdf scores and mp3 recordings can be stored in their hundreds and used to great effect for score reading / analysis. And there are many other uses.


That said, I do have a beef with Apple over this particular iPad - namely - it still being sold with a maximum of 64GB capacity - and that that costs hundreds of dollars more than the 16GB version. So, despite everything in the iPad 3 being many times more capable than the iPad 1, they can nevertheless sell the iPad 3 at the same price as the iPad 1; yet they are suggesting that 2-year-old SSD technology still costs $200 for 48GB extra ??

Clearly Apple are keeping the capacity artificially low - to get people to use paid-for Cloud storage. I personally need a minimum of 128GB right now and would prefer 256GB.

In any case, one could forgive Apple for keeping the iPad 2 at 64GB, but releasing the iPad 3 at that same limiting capacity, AND keeping the price differential at $200 between the iPad 16GB and 64GB is frankly insulting to prospective buyers.

In my opinion, it is the first indication that Apple without Steve Jobs has changed - rather than a company looking to offer empowering technology, they are now looking to exploit customers (even more blatantly) though artificial devices such as storage capacity. If that's the extent of their tactics - the future for Apple is already not looking so bright (in my opinion).

And - I had intended buying the iPad 3 (and was eagerly awaiting it for genuinely needed resources and most especially storage) but will wait for the 4 instead.


I suspect many people felt the same about the release of the iPhone 4S and are holding our for an iPhone 5; and overall Apple seem to be either playing games with their customer base or else are slowing down in their capacity to release significantly improved innovative products on an annual basis. Either way, it's not good.


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>Clearly Apple are keeping the capacity artificially low - to get people to use paid-for Cloud storage. I personally need a minimum of 128GB right now and would prefer 256GB.

Cool, you're actually sitting in on the board meetings, and watching them twirl their moustaches.

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Cool, you're actually sitting in on the board meetings, and watching them twirl their moustaches.

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So - what's your take on why they retain a maximum capacity of 64GB; and continue to charge $200 for the extra 48GB?

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>Clearly Apple are keeping the capacity artificially low - to get people to use paid-for Cloud storage. I personally need a minimum of 128GB right now and would prefer 256GB.

Cool, you're actually sitting in on the board meetings, and watching them twirl their moustaches.

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So - what's your take on why they retain a maximum capacity of 64GB; and continue to charge $200 for the extra 48GB?

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Its truly amazing how quickly people feel such a sense of entitlement. You NEED 128GB on a device which didn't exist 2 years ago at all! And you are annoyed with Apple for not providing you exactly what you want at the price you want to pay for it!

Apple doesn't make that much money from the iPad hardware - it is the software which provides the profit. The inflated price of the high end models are a form of price discrimination so that those who find the iPad incredibly cheap will go for the more expensive version. The base model is fine for most people and very good value when you compare it to other tablets (which are all far inferior in usability).

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Apple doesn't make that much money from the iPad hardware

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Sure they do. They don't make any hardware without a decent margin. And they can get that margin because their size and cash stocks mean they can make massive exclusive deals on components, and because they invest heavily in their own manufacturing, supply and distribution chains to keep the costs under control.

iPads are for sure priced aggressively, but don't believe Apple isn't making a good margin on each one.

Edit: For context, breakdown parts estimates put the cost of the iPad 2 parts to be around £200... it sold for, what, £419 for the entry model, up to £700 ish or so...

One of the reasons Apple are so profitable is they have margins on computer hardware that most other manufacturers can only dream of...

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Sure they do. They don't make any hardware without a decent margin. And they can get that margin because their size and cash stocks mean they can make massive exclusive deals on components, and because they invest heavily in their own manufacturing, supply and distribution chains to keep the costs under control.

iPads are for sure priced aggressively, but don't believe Apple isn't making a good margin on each one.

Edit: For context, breakdown parts estimates put the cost of the iPad 2 parts to be around £200... it sold for, what, £419 for the entry model

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Right and it costs no money to put these parts together?! And organisation and shipping is also free too, right? R&D? Advertising ? Try not to put too must trust in a simplistic parts calculation...

Its clear that Apple is pricing very aggressively because most of its competitors are pulling out of the market. They cannot offer anything comparable at that price.

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Its truly amazing how quickly people feel such a sense of entitlement. You NEED 128GB on a device which didn't exist 2 years ago at all! And you are annoyed with Apple for not providing you exactly what you want at the price you want to pay for it!

Apple doesn't make that much money from the iPad hardware - it is the software which provides the profit. The inflated price of the high end models are a form of price discrimination so that those who find the iPad incredibly cheap will go for the more expensive version. The base model is fine for most people and very good value when you compare it to other tablets (which are all far inferior in usability).

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Absolutely no sense of entitlement involved - I'm prepared to pay for it.

I don’t get why you'd even venture into questioning anyone’s legitimate claims on what they "need" for their own work environment. If you can't envisage that that's OK - I won't pull you up on it - but it's a little OTT to question a genuine requirement for storage space. But I'll put it this way - the iPad has nothing short of revolutionised my work flow, work process and what work I engage. It captures ideas at (conservatively) twice the rate and efficiency than before I had it - it is THAT good (for me). After two years of use - there are very sophisticated uses of the iPad across a plethora of creative industries - there should be no surprise there - and hence a genuine need for expandability.

But I think my basic points are valid (you've attacked me - not the ideas by the way) - that there is now a clear shift in Apple’s thinking on the iPad. Originally it was impossible to gauge the true cost of SSD space in an iPad; but now it's possible - Apple are charging an artificial price of $200 for 48GB (twice what they are charging in the MBP for example) - and that price has not come down in 2 years - a highly implausible situation if supposedly caused by the actual cost of the technology. So they are now manipulating a market artificially rather than generating innovative new markets. That does not make the iPad any the less revolutionary (or desirable). But I need more than 64GB so will have to wait another year or for a competitive device to offer it.

Secondly, it is genuinely surprising to me that the iPad has been kept at 64GB - as if Apple know the extend of peoples desires/needs in using the iPad. I genuinely think it's a real possibility that if Steve Jobs was around today that he would have pushed the envelope further before releasing the new iPad.

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I don’t get why you'd even venture into questioning anyone’s legitimate claims on what they "need" for their own work environment. If you can't envisage that that's OK - I won't pull you up on it - but it's a little OTT to question a genuine requirement for storage space. But I'll put it this way - the iPad has nothing short of revolutionised my work flow, work process and what work I engage. It captures ideas at (conservatively) twice the rate and efficiency than before I had it - it is THAT good (for me). After two years of use - there are very sophisticated uses of the iPad across a plethora of creative industries - there should be no surprise there - and hence a genuine need for expandability.

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But I think my basic points are valid (you've attacked me - not the ideas by the way) - that there is now a clear shift in Apple’s thinking on the iPad. Originally it was impossible to gauge the true cost of SSD space in an iPad; but now it's possible - Apple are charging an artificial price of $200 for 48GB (twice what they are charging in the MBP for example) - and that price has not come down in 2 years - a highly implausible situation if supposedly caused by the actual cost of the technology. So they are now manipulating a market artificially rather than generating innovative new markets. That does not make the iPad any the less revolutionary (or desirable). But I need more than 64GB so will have to wait another year or for a competitive device to offer it.

Secondly, it is genuinely surprising to me that the iPad has been kept at 64GB - as if Apple know the extend of peoples desires/needs in using the iPad. I genuinely think it's a real possibility that if Steve Jobs was around today that he would have pushed the envelope further before releasing the new iPad.

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Its unfortunate that Apple have no real competition in the high end tablet market. They can do what they like if nobody is there to push them on it. I would guess that the extra 200 is just price discrimination; making a profit on those who can easily afford to pay. As to why they haven't done a 128gb, I don't know - perhaps they think the 16gb version would then look ridiculously short of memory?

I would guess that as soon as a genuinely competitive high memory tablet becomes available the iPad will follow.

considering my old *iPod* has 160GB of storage, the iPad seems a rubbish in that respect! Particularly as one of its most obvious uses has got to be as a portable DVD/BluRay watching device, allowing you to rip stuff and watch it on a train or whatever. The notion that we can stream all those GBs over WiFi or 3G is pie in sky with the UK's current infrastructure.

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Hi Ken, you strongly supported Chacconnes' contention that the iPad is an underpowered anachronism (you said this was "the best statement I've read here in a long time"), and that's why I responded to your post. OK, you didn't say it was 'rubbish' yourself, but you could forgive me for thinking that was your opinion, given what you've posted. If you don't think iPads are rubbish, you've got a funny way of showing it!

The second half of my post wasn't aimed at you, I'm sorry, I should have made that clear rahter than tarring all the haters and skeptics with the same brush!

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considering my old *iPod* has 160GB of storage, the iPad seems a rubbish in that respect! Particularly as one of its most obvious uses has got to be as a portable DVD/BluRay watching device, allowing you to rip stuff and watch it on a train or whatever. The notion that we can stream all those GBs over WiFi or 3G is pie in sky with the UK's current infrastructure.

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considering my old *iPod* has 160GB of storage, the iPad seems a rubbish in that respect! Particularly as one of its most obvious uses has got to be as a portable DVD/BluRay watching device, allowing you to rip stuff and watch it on a train or whatever. The notion that we can stream all those GBs over WiFi or 3G is pie in sky with the UK's current infrastructure.

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Though I'll admit it would be nice to be able to carry a load of films and music around on it, I've kind of got used to not using the iPad as storage. I've been ok with a couple of films on it for the kids, and keeping my mp3s on an old creative player with an 80GB hard drive.

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Don't think I ever said they were rubbish. What I have argued, and still do, is there is no *need* for them. Try not to confuse the words need and want. We are on a recording forum. There is nothing the iPad does currently, that can't be done on a computer. The same can't be said the other way around. The iPad can no do what computers currently do. So, frankly, if it speeds up your workflow on Excel or liberates you in your approach to emails or other office tasks, metadata, calendar, etc, then great*. But it would need to be able to tackle my everyday uses - namely, the processing of audio and midi data to the better than persent day DAW standards - before I could even start contemplating the need.

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Yeah I agree with these sentiments.

I didn't mean to let to much anti-apple angst out - it is not relevant really.

But, if I am jealous in any way its that people seam to have time to play with these gadgets. I am 'stuck' with my i7 laptop because it does everything I need to do. I can plug pretty much any interface or monitor in that I have to use.

Over christmas I was playing with a great little program on my 3DS. Ecxcellent fun - dead easy to come up with 'inspiration'. But everytime I put it down I thought 'why not start things on the computer instead of wasting time on little 'apps' on other cute tech'? Its a fun distraction - a displacement activity. And I apologise if the ipad (there are other devices available) it central to you workflow - great!

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No, you strongly concurred they were underpowered and an anachronism. My bad.

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There's no actual *need* for a lot of things, many of which are regularly featured or reviewed in SOS. The techy amateur recording/music gear industry is in itself pretty unnecessary. Its a good job someone doesn't start a thread every time a manufacturer releases a product which isn't actually *needed*. "Jupiter 80? Not necessary." "New sound card? Got one already!" "More virtual instruments? What's the point?", "More tracks/higher fidelity/extra mojo? Who cares?".

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Don't think I ever said they were rubbish. What I have argued, and still do, is there is no *need* for them. Try not to confuse the words need and want. We are on a recording forum. There is nothing the iPad does currently, that can't be done on a computer. The same can't be said the other way around. The iPad can no do what computers currently do. So, frankly, if it speeds up your workflow on Excel or liberates you in your approach to emails or other office tasks, metadata, calendar, etc, then great*. But it would need to be able to tackle my everyday uses - namely, the processing of audio and midi data to the better than persent day DAW standards - before I could even start contemplating the need.

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One thing I would say is that you would be highly surprised to see how much less you will use a laptop or mac book once you get an iPad. If its not capable of doing something you once done on your mactop you will find a work around. Having said that in the context of a music studio the iPad is still a toy, but then is many of the instruments that people still have around them in studios.

I certainly would not say that the iPad is not needed, it's a post pc device. What I would say is that it has a long way to go before it can replace a conventional computer in a studio.

As for large amounts of on board GB (not in kens post), this is another mid conception. First how any blue rays do you want to watch on A train? The apple format can do a blue ray quality movie in 3GB apparently. On the 16gb model this is enough for 3 full length movies. They are not devices that you keep stuff on, they are devices you generally connect to wifi and use to browse the net and use custom made applications. The applications for the most part don't need the Internet.

I personally don't know how anyone can fault a iPad, they are great and if you don't own one then you really do not know what you are commenting on, only owners experience will give you a proper impression weather it's for you or not and if it changes your work flow.

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Gary

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I personally don't know how anyone can fault a iPad, they are great and if you don't own one then you really do not know what you are commenting on, only owners experience will give you a proper impression weather it's for you or not and if it changes your work flow.

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bit of a catch22 there. One Apple promotions department might like to take up. "You cannot decide whether this is worth having unless you have it!"

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I personally don't know how anyone can fault a iPad, they are great and if you don't own one then you really do not know what you are commenting on, only owners experience will give you a proper impression weather it's for you or not and if it changes your work flow.

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bit of a catch22 there. One Apple promotions department might like to take up. "You cannot decide whether this is worth having unless you have it!"

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Well that's been something that Steve Jobs faced from early on creating new concepts that people didn't know they wanted, which probably explains the philosophy behind Apple's marketing hype. As I said before, I really didn't see the benefit of the iPad before I bought one and even posted negative comments about it on these fora - now I wouldn't want to be without one. Go figure..........

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I personally don't know how anyone can fault a iPad, they are great and if you don't own one then you really do not know what you are commenting on, only owners experience will give you a proper impression weather it's for you or not and if it changes your work flow.

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bit of a catch22 there. One Apple promotions department might like to take up. "You cannot decide whether this is worth having unless you have it!"

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Well that's been something that Steve Jobs faced from early on creating new concepts that people didn't know they wanted, which probably explains the philosophy behind Apple's marketing hype. As I said before, I really didn't see the benefit of the iPad before I bought one and even posted negative comments about it on these fora - now I wouldn't want to be without one. Go figure..........

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Yeah, I can appreciate that. I've been saying it throughout this thread. But would it increase my productivity? I dunno.

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Yeah, I can appreciate that. I've been saying it throughout this thread. But would it increase my productivity? I dunno.

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You can play around with them in the Apple store, they make it quite easy. If you buy one online you can always send it back in 7 days for a full refund anyway.

After spending quite some time playing around with my girlfriend's, I think its a lot of fun and great for travelling. For my way of working its not an essential purchase though ...

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Well that's been something that Steve Jobs faced from early on creating new concepts that people didn't know they wanted, which probably explains the philosophy behind Apple's marketing hype. As I said before, I really didn't see the benefit of the iPad before I bought one and even posted negative comments about it on these fora - now I wouldn't want to be without one. Go figure..........

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Increase productivity? Maybe, but not by a huge amount.

As has been said, there are very few things an iPad can do that a laptop can't. If I was to deeply gaze into my productivity navel (not a pleasant sight), I may come to the following conclusion:

I currently use iPad for:

50% of email use - but I still use a PC for 'In Depth' stuff

80% browsing

100% diary (well along with my iPhone)

100% file access/presentation during meetings.

100% messaging (along with iPhone)

100% reminders and task lists (along with iPhone)

80% room analysis (along with iPhone)

(soon to be) 100% live performance playback (instead of minidisc/PC)

100% (aural) tune learning (along with iPhone)

100% photo reviewing on location (but 100% on PC when I'm home)

100% reading Sound On Sound (especially now the app is out).

100% everything when I'm on tour (no longer take a laptop with me)

100% stage monitoring/set up with digital desks.

OK - many of these things I'd do on a laptop if I didn't have an iPad - so they'd still get done, but some of them would be less efficient and therefore less productive.

However there are certain tasks I use a PC for (Mac Mini, MacBook and MacPro):

Database design and analysis.

Most printable documents and spreadsheets.

Web design.

Invoicing and accounts.

Most aspects of recording.

Photograph manipulation.

These tasks I simply wouldn't want to perform on an iPad.

The next person would have a completely different workflow.

All I'm saying is that it's interesting to note that I use an iPad for a significant amount of work, despite the fact I could use a laptop for most of that - so in the end, yes, it may be more productive - but it's definitely more fun! And I like to have fun when I work!

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Wrong. Replying to threads like this distract you from working!

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totally disagree, but do agree that they are not needed just a nice tool to have that take over far more jobs than people would think. I just find people that slag them off quite funny as they have no experience of them and generally have a downer on anything Apple just because they are a massive organisation. Before S Jobs came and got them out the s&*t the same people would have hated microsoft and thought that apple was the angel. I suppose Linux or anonymous are the heroes these days.

There are not many devices that are so complex but don't require a manual and your 80 year old Gran can use them.

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Still not tempted.

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How? Have you not seen the screen quality?
Not to mention all the pro audio related apps and stuff.