mjfe2
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Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
#980051 - 04/04/12 09:56 AM
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I want to get a rack case for when I do location recording (probably 4U) and have come
across a whole range of prices on dv247. What would people recommend? Also, is it
sufficient to fix a four-way plug splitter in the back, or is it necessary to buy
something more special? (I've heard people talk about switch-mode PSU and 'filtered' power
but don't know what this means!)
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Rob Taylor
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: mjfe2]
#980085 - 04/04/12 11:15 AM
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Exactly what I did a couple of years back.
I went for Gator cases, since a
friend put a lot of research time into the different makes (later confirmed by my own
searching) and found that they were best. Plus they're very good at being stacked
together, which helps with future expansion, and unlike my other flight case, the screw
holes line up, so installing the gear into the case was easy as.
As for power,
it may be better to have a dedicated, rack mounted power supply. However, I just bought
myself a 6-plug surge protected (the full works) extension, so the gear is protected from
electrical gremlins but it didn't cost £100 and up, only £30. Someone else will probably
come along and tell you that we both need a rack mounted power distribution unit though.
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Matt Houghton
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: Rob Taylor]
#980095 - 04/04/12 11:44 AM
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If you know you're going to keep to 4U in the future, then you could do worse than the
soft-covered cases which can be used with a shoulder strap and have a velcro pouch to keep
sessions notes and gadgets like cable testers in. They're not quite as robust as some, and
if you want to expand and stack they're not so good, but they're fine if you're careful
and damnably convenient for a lightweight portable rig. Eg something like this.
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Hugh Robjohns
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: mjfe2]
#980127 - 04/04/12 01:54 PM
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Quote mjfe2:
I want to get a rack
case for when I do location recording (probably 4U) and have come across a whole range of
prices on dv247. What would people recommend?
Depends entirely on what you plan to carry, how it will get used
and so on. I've been using lightweight plastic EMS cases from Canford for years without
any trouble at all.
http://www.canford.co.uk/ProductResources/ig/2418.pdf
They
stack well, are remarkably robust, add little additional weight to the equipment, and do
the job very well... provided you handle them with some care. They wouldn't stand up to a
good roady kicking, or being chicked off the back of the van!
If you want more
robust, then there are the traditional plywood cases of varying durability all the way up
to the shock-isolated case-within-a-case types.
Quote:
Also, is it sufficient to fix a four-way plug
splitter in the back, or is it necessary to buy something more special? (I've heard people
talk about switch-mode PSU and 'filtered' power but don't know what this means!)
A switched-mode power supply is just a
type of power supply that (usually) accepts a wie range of input voltages and outputs a
range of DC voltages. Normally found inside equipment or in line-lump power supplies and
not even slightly relevant to your requirements.
You can go for a rack power
supply unit if you want, but it takes up rack space for no real purpose. You could fit an
ordinary mains plug board, or an RFI filtered board -- but I've never found the need for,
or benefit of, filtered types.
But in small flightcases where you are unlikely
to have more than two or three items of equipment, I find a neater solution is to use a
Y-spit IEC mains cable so that the flight case has a single mains lead, but that splits to
feed two or three items directly.
http://www.canford.co.uk/ProductResources/ig/5443.pdf
These
leads are very robust, cheap, and easy to replace with standard IEC leads if they are
damaged or you need to move the equipment out of the rack in a hurry. They take up much
less space than installed plug boards or rack power units too, and make accessing the rear
of equipment a little bit easier and neater!
hugh
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Mike Stranks
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: Matt Houghton]
#980128 - 04/04/12 01:54 PM
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Quote Matt Houghton:
If you know
you're going to keep to 4U in the future, then you could do worse than the soft-covered
cases which can be used with a shoulder strap and have a velcro pouch to keep sessions
notes and gadgets like cable testers in. They're not quite as robust as some, and if you
want to expand and stack they're not so good, but they're fine if you're careful and
damnably convenient for a lightweight portable rig. Eg something like this.
Yup! I have a few of these - Rockbags and Thomanns
own brand - Millennium??? Exactly as Matt describes.
... and picking up the
earlier point about mains... if you're in the UK you don't need anything fancy to
'protect' the gear. I use a simple socket-tester to check that the wall-sockets in venues
are wired as they should be and an everyday RCF for added safety.
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Hugh Robjohns
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: Mike Stranks]
#980137 - 04/04/12 02:16 PM
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RCF? I presume you mean a 'residual current device' (RCD) or a 'residual current breaker'
(RCB). Not heard them described as RCFs before.
hugh
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shufflebeat
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#980155 - 04/04/12 02:58 PM
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Quote Hugh Robjohns:
RCF? I
presume you mean a 'residual current device' (RCD) or a 'residual current breaker' (RCB).
Not heard them described as RCFs before.
hugh
Ha, that's one of my predictive text
automangles. Others are if/he and good/home. You'd be surprised how much trouble they can
get you in.
Any road up...
I find plastic wall plugs (or slugs)
designed for plasterboard cut slightly short fit nicely into the back of most 4/6 way plug
boards so you can then fix them into the case with some short, fat wood screws. This works
particularly well for Rockbag zippy flaps.
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grab
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: mjfe2]
#980176 - 04/04/12 04:50 PM
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Personally I've just stuck a regular 4-way or 6-way strip in the back of my racks, stuck
to the inside of the rack with double-sided sticky pads. Cheap, and gets the job done.
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shufflebeat
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: grab]
#980179 - 04/04/12 05:18 PM
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I've never been able to make them stick for long. I tried every sticky pad and Velcro
strip b&q had to offer. Maybe I'm just a bit enthusiastic unplugging stuff.
-------------------- Ohm's Law states, "Your PA isn't as powerful as you think it is".
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Mike Stranks
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#980180 - 04/04/12 05:22 PM
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Quote Hugh Robjohns:
RCF? I
presume you mean a 'residual current device' (RCD) or a 'residual current breaker' (RCB).
Not heard them described as RCFs before.
hugh
el typo!
Perhaps I was thinking of a well-known brand of speaker at the time!
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Chevytraveller
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: shufflebeat]
#980181 - 04/04/12 05:27 PM
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I picked up a whole bunch of rack mounted MDUs that were being cleared out.. nice filtered
mains and 12 individually fused outputs.. you can find them for about £30 on Ebay
as IT Centres all use Dual-fed units now and these often get chucked out
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Jack Ruston
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: mjfe2]
#980182 - 04/04/12 05:29 PM
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Flightcase Warehouse do some plastic cases by a company called Boschma. They're a bit more
robust than the usual SKB/Gators and they're very affordable. I have a 6u, 4u, 3u and 2u
and I really like them. They stack and they're simple and light. As long as you're not
letting other people chuck them around they offer very good protection. I'd buy more. J
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shufflebeat
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: Jack Ruston]
#980185 - 04/04/12 05:52 PM
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They look pretty good, a bit like the Orange County SKBs.
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grab
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: shufflebeat]
#980226 - 04/04/12 08:55 PM
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Quote:
Maybe I'm just a bit
enthusiastic unplugging stuff.
Maybe that's the key. The only thing that gets plugged/unplugged on mine is the
trailing end of the lead, to keep it from rattling around. Everything else stays
plugged.
I think the ones I used are Sellotape Sticky Fixers. Seem to be doing
the job for the moment. Velcro definitely didn't work out for me though - the velcro was
fine, but the glue backing was crap.
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mjfe2
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#980260 - 04/04/12 11:13 PM
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Thanks guys. Looks to me like most of these options would be sufficient seeing as I'm
going to be unloading my own equipment. I quite liked the look of this Gator case,
because it has wheels: http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipment/gator-grr-4l-polyethylene-roller-rac
k-4u-space--7105But then SKB seem to be priced a bit higher and boast
'worldwide' acclaim for their durability. I'll give it some more thought....
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mjfe2
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#985143 - 01/05/12 08:42 AM
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Final question -- is it worth getting a surge protector rather than just a plug splitter?
Are these just for the thunder storms, or are they also useful in, say, old churches where
the electricity may be a bit touch and go?!
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BWSE
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Re: Which 4U rack case and do I need a dedicated plug splitter?
[Re: mjfe2]
#985270 - 02/05/12 01:04 AM
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I've got some Rhino cases, case within a case type with foam in between the two cases.
Great racks but you really don't want to lug them about without a dolly or wheels.
I started purchasing SKB cases to take on tour instead where I lug it in and out
of hotels and venues all the time. Not a singe issue yet. Cases are very strong and
durable and I feel confident the equipment is safe inside. Plus they stack amazingly well
and weigh nothing compared to 'conventional' flight cases. Only con on these is that
the screws are an alternate size and they don't use the normal cage nuts. But they give
you a full set with the case and you can always order more...
On the power
topic: where space allows I use shucko and/ or UK 13 plug boards. When space is limited,
opt for the 13-IEC split...
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