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JM-1



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On a Pedal Board - short patch cables vs adapters new
      #987031 - 12/05/12 01:12 PM
Intuitively I would think that since we step on effects pedals the slight flexibility offered by a short patch cable would make adjoining pedals more stable and safer, rather than this kind of adapter:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_adapter_bodeneffekte_gerade.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_adapter_bodeneffekte_versetzt.htm

which I would think would make adjacent pedals move about too...

What do you think?

JM


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tobiaudio



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Re: On a Pedal Board - short patch cables vs adapters new [Re: JM-1]
      #987032 - 12/05/12 01:22 PM
You are right, the flexibility of a cable is better for the pedal's jacks.
And I made tests comparing high end cables (Tonehunter Gold patch cables) with those thomann adapters. The patch cables sound for more transparent and neutral. The adapters made the signal a bit dull.


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Re: On a Pedal Board - short patch cables vs adapters new [Re: JM-1]
      #987106 - 13/05/12 07:37 AM
Most jacks are PCB mounted and in some equipment and some pedals as well I would guess, do not also bolt the jack to the case. Thus any stress on the socket gets transmitted to the PCB joints and they fail (I had a similar problem with a MIDI DIN on a keyboard only a month or so ago)so no, I would not use those solid adaptors. In fact I can see no valid use for them at all! I suppose you could use them to tie two inline sockets together but they themselves are THE most unreliable of adaptors excepting the Neutrik metal locking job.

So go for any decent quality shielded cable, at these lengths it will make absolutely no audible difference even if you have those daft "true" bypass pedals! A good choice of cable would be foil shielded since that gives you 100% RF proofing and it is more than flexible enough for this usage and much easier to strip and fit than braid.

Dave.


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Re: On a Pedal Board - short patch cables vs adapters new [Re: tobiaudio]
      #987110 - 13/05/12 09:09 AM
Quote tobiaudio:

You are right, the flexibility of a cable is better for the pedal's jacks.
And I made tests comparing high end cables (Tonehunter Gold patch cables) with those thomann adapters. The patch cables sound for more transparent and neutral. The adapters made the signal a bit dull.




If you REALLY believe that, open up the pedals, get out your soldering iron and hard-wire the links. It won't sound as good, because it won't have been so expensive. But give it a try, anyway :-)


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Re: On a Pedal Board - short patch cables vs adapters new [Re: Exalted Wombat]
      #987113 - 13/05/12 09:15 AM
Quote Exalted Wombat:

Quote tobiaudio:

You are right, the flexibility of a cable is better for the pedal's jacks.
And I made tests comparing high end cables (Tonehunter Gold patch cables) with those thomann adapters. The patch cables sound for more transparent and neutral. The adapters made the signal a bit dull.




If you REALLY believe that, open up the pedals, get out your soldering iron and hard-wire the links. It won't sound as good, because it won't have been so expensive. But give it a try, anyway :-)




And don't forget the Gold plated, Silicon-Iron "Flux Absorbers" that must sit on the power supply line lumps!

Dave.


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Exalted Wombat



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Re: On a Pedal Board - short patch cables vs adapters [Re: ef37a]
      #987140 - 13/05/12 12:02 PM
Quote ef37a:

Quote Exalted Wombat:

Quote tobiaudio:

You are right, the flexibility of a cable is better for the pedal's jacks.
And I made tests comparing high end cables (Tonehunter Gold patch cables) with those thomann adapters. The patch cables sound for more transparent and neutral. The adapters made the signal a bit dull.




If you REALLY believe that, open up the pedals, get out your soldering iron and hard-wire the links. It won't sound as good, because it won't have been so expensive. But give it a try, anyway :-)




And don't forget the Gold plated, Silicon-Iron "Flux Absorbers" that must sit on the power supply line lumps!





Wouldn't they interfere with the Brilliant Pebbles?


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Re: On a Pedal Board - short patch cables vs adapters new [Re: Exalted Wombat]
      #987150 - 13/05/12 12:36 PM
Quote Exalted Wombat:

Quote ef37a:

Quote Exalted Wombat:

Quote tobiaudio:

You are right, the flexibility of a cable is better for the pedal's jacks.
And I made tests comparing high end cables (Tonehunter Gold patch cables) with those thomann adapters. The patch cables sound for more transparent and neutral. The adapters made the signal a bit dull.




If you REALLY believe that, open up the pedals, get out your soldering iron and hard-wire the links. It won't sound as good, because it won't have been so expensive. But give it a try, anyway :-)




And don't forget the Gold plated, Silicon-Iron "Flux Absorbers" that must sit on the power supply line lumps!





Wouldn't they interfere with the Brilliant Pebbles?


Not if you coat them in snake oil first.
Dave.


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