http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18095370

All i can say is HAHAHAHA. Worth going on their facebook page too for a bit of a gloat (if your of a cruel nature like me anyway!!) and reading everyone's moans about how its so unfair that they can't get there free stuff that, there you know, entitled to.

I do wonder who is behind it though? Fair play anyway i reckon.

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To be honest I'm surprised it hasn't sooner.

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I too think it is good news...

Maybe the script kiddies downloaded a "how to hack" manual from Piratebay and then decided to test it?

lol pwned! n00bs

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A little disruption to these sleaze bags over a day or two is not enough to warm my cockles. However I would be seriously impressed if we were to learn it was the recording industry itself that is behind the attacks and that they intended to keep up the good work by relentlessly and flexibly using various guerilla blocking tactics until the pips squeak. I have never understood why the industry didn't do that years ago. At least covertly. Or perhaps it did?

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and that they intended to keep up the good work by relentlessly and flexibly using various guerilla blocking tactics until the pips squeak. I have never understood why the industry didn't do that years ago.

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Perhaps because hacking is a criminal offence ?

( and that now includes denial-of-service attacks, like this one, which isn't really "hacking" - effectively merely acknowledging one can't break in, so instead throwing one's toys out of the pram by sending large amounts of junk traffic, sufficient amounts of which will obviously overwhelm any server. Not exactly impressive. )

Anyway, Pirate Bay working fine here, FWIW.

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But really, in these circumstances so what? Who's going to bring the charges? Pirate Bay? I think not! Anonymous? They can't because they don't officially exist, at least not to bring a prosecution and they know perfectly well they would be utterly compromised were they to do so for this purpose. The Public Prosecutor? I can't really see that happening for a victimless crime. Not when the motivation is to protect an innocent party or rather many innocent parties from chronic theft which the law in its current form seems powerless to prosecute itself. If the recording industry had got itself together to be doing this covertly there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of it being taken to task. Nor would I blame it. If it did it overtly it might possibly be a bold and brilliant stunt to draw attention the the somewhat arsine position legislators have found themselves in. All that would be required was the creation of a worthless vehicle to do the actual deed, so nobody can get sued for anything worth losing in the process.

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Doesn't sound like hacking to me...sounds like policing!

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The attack traffic would congest / overload core network links comprising parts of the Internet - impacting bona fide activities. That's one reason why it would be illegal. Fail.

The kind of approach taken by Pirate Pay is a little more subtle, but also is ultimately unlikely to achieve anything constructive.

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I don't buy that. The internet is already failing. If, as a public place the internet is incapable of policing itself from the antics of thieves and bandits then as far as I am concerned people are entitled to deploy their own private security measures. If nothing else it would escalate into a big enough international row to force the WIPO to finally become effective. Its their job to take the lead in fixing this mess and they do nothing.

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Some disgruntled hacker seems to have claimed responsibility...

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/17/3026410/the-pirate-bay-online-after-ddos -attack

...but it's apparently back online now. The thing seems pretty bullet-proof. Surprised at all the media coverage...storm in a teacup really.

Wow!
How can so many be so short-sighted?
Since when was it ever a good idea to tackle someone who was acting unlawfully by illegal means?

I have no use for the Pirate Bay (don't even know their URL), but also take no delight in them being DDOSed. Ignoring any moral or legal considerations, where do you stop? How long does it take for it to become 'acceptable' to take down a site simply because you don't agree with them? Yes, I know it's already happening, but most people don't think it's acceptable.

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When the existing legislation is not fit for purpose, the legislators admit it but fail or are unable to act. The idea would be to goad them into action by driving the proverbial coach and horses through their dogma. It would be brazen, for sure. But there is nothing new about that. When politicians do this sort of thing, and I've seen it done, the watchword is "no fingerprints". It often works.

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Yeh teh tinterweb is brokenz

I was so happy that someone had hacked the pirate bay - I did a little sea shanty dance around my living room wearing only my pants.

yay I said yay

the cat was very impressed.

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Yeh teh tinterweb is brokenz

I was so happy that someone had hacked the pirate bay - I did a little sea shanty dance around my living room wearing only my pants.

yay I said yay

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So that I don't get a little sick in my mouth again from reading comments like the one above, please can we have Pirate Bay back on line.

No other reason, I've never used such a site.



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I was so happy that someone had hacked the pirate bay - I did a little sea shanty dance around my living room wearing only my pants.

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So that I don't get a little sick in my mouth again from reading comments like the one above, please can we have Pirate Bay back on line.

No other reason, I've never used such a site.

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Don't worry - I didn't really.
In case you missed it - I was using 'irony' - I couldn't really care less if TPB is hacked or not.

You can swallow that bit of sick back down.

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No it isn't.

Certain practices are illegal in certain states, but broadly the activity of hacking is legit. I hack electronic gear and systems to find out how it works and to see if I trust it to do it's job. That's not the intrusion you refer to...

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Correct - it isn't!

I'm not a member of Pirate Bay.

But, it occurred to me, that why is it OK for Facebook to break the law, certainly as regards some of their cynically plundering users data, contravening the Data Protection Act, and some other Eurowide law regarding Facebook's ruthless methods, and nothing can be done about that. Yet the USA can exercise extra-judicial authority outside the borders of the USA and close down sites, prosecute people, extradite people, yet the likes of Facebook can get away with what they want. Anything to do with the fact Zuckerberger's parents are wealthy and well connected?

Yes Pirate Bay is breaking the law, but who suffers? mega rich studios and the impossibly wealthy celebs that hack their way through a film, and when not filming appear on every chat show touting their latest film/book, telling us how good it is. Whereas Facebook users are just the great unwashed, so it doesn't matter what Facebook does

Seems some sites are demonised and others have a big impenetrable wall around them

Er, what?

It's not "OK" for Facebook to break the law either.

And if Facebook got away with breaking the law, why would that make it OK for Pirate Bay to break the law?

Who's had their stuff infringed by Facebook? And hasn't tried to take legal action? Was it your mum? If so, go ask your mum why she hasn't taken legal action. Frankly I don't see why the rest of us should have to suffer just because your mum is so slack and lazy.

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Do you realise just how much trouble Facebook is in this week? Not just over the disastrous performance of their share price post the IPO last week but with the law, over allegations of market manipulation. They are being scrutinized by the regulators in Massachusetts, they are being sued by investors in New York and they are being investigated by the SEC in DC. That is very, very heavy. Its all become so 'sub judice' over the last few days that the press seem to have stopped reporting it, presumably because of gagging orders by the courts to prevent corruption of evidence.

In fact now is the exact moment for those who have reasons not to love FB to get together and stick all those other grievances to them in one big, fat class action. Its basically been exposed for what it is, which is a massively over hyped flash in the pan. It will be interesting to see what's left of it by the time the collective dust settles.

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My little wall painter staff person can't get on Pirate Bay now, and he tells me he can't afford to buy records. Well, I wanted to put an axe through the head of this Pirate painter, until I realised, that is ...normal.

"Do you realise just how much trouble Facebook is in this week? Not just over the disastrous performance of their share price post the IPO last week but with the law, over allegations of market manipulation. "

Do you realise just how much this clever young 28 year old understands the Internet and made his partner his wife? Every lawyer will defend him (and make themselves rich for life). Such is the Internet.

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In fact now is the exact moment for those who have reasons not to love FB to get together and stick all those other grievances to them in one big, fat class action. Its basically been exposed for what it is, which is a massively over hyped flash in the pan. It will be interesting to see what's left of it by the time the collective dust settles.

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Yep, you get my point. I wondered why after the blitz of free publicity, hyping the shares to absurd levels, well certainly in the 'Post CreditCrunch' era, surely 'That Old Devil Greed' isn't skulking around again already? then a hermetically sealed silence? Sometimes you wonder about all the negative comments regarding Facebook, whether some of that is invented or exagerrated, to keep it in the news - no such thing as bad publicity - nah.

So, the next obvious question is - could there be some substance behind the claims? These things bother me more than Pirate bay

Oh there's plenty of substance behind the allegations. Zuckerman, who I have never thought is anything like as clever as mythology maintains (not stupid by any means but hardly a Messiah) will try to blame it all on his bankers. But it won't wash (not that they won't get canned too). At some point fairly early on the investor class actions are going to start getting into the thorny question of how many actual 'users' FB has. They claimed 900,000,000 in the prospectus but anyone who has ever tried to leave FB knows perfectly well that you can't. At least not without jumping through cleverly contrived hoops that nobody bothers to attempt. Accounts remain 'inactive'. The biggest problem for Zuckerman will be if these accounts can be shown to have been counted in the 900,000,000. If they are, not only has he lied - all credibility gone - and not only will he be sued to the moon. But advertising rates and even interest in advertising on FB at all will be seriously compromised. Clever lawyers can't cheat odds like that. It will be from Dot Com to Dot Bomb. Again. And we will all ask did we learn nothing ten years ago...

Too bad. Still, one less deep pocket to lobby against SOPA and PIPA next time they are up for debate

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Facebook has 900 million details that they sold before the flotation. One of the details they missed was mine, and my artists,who have never contributed to the Facebook rubbish but have fan pages. You really need to understand and be ahead of the game.

Staying ahead of the game? Getting out of the burning house might be a better phrase! I understand how much trouble Zuckerman is potentially in perfectly well, thank you very much. There's a feeding frenzy building of aggrieved people who want his head for breakfast, lunch and dinner. From what we already know he's guilty enough for there to be nothing much left by the time its over. Don't get me wrong. I have no sympathy for anyone who bought that stock. But it had to take a pirate's mind to go about launching it in that way and at that price. Contrary to popular belief piracy is not allowed under law. Anywhere. Not even in the stock market!

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You sound a bit whiny. Can't you understand the Internet?..I am laughing

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If you want to trade compliments you sound a bit narrow and unworldly! I understand the internet very well. I also remember how it's associated businesses most all collapsed, having been over hyped, misunderstood and vastly over valued ten years ago. But there is far, far more to this than just the internet. American legislators take corporate crime far more seriously than, for example internet piracy. If Zuckerman is found guilty of market manipulation, depending upon how guilty, he'll get more than a fine. It may well mean jail time. FB is beginning to make what Bernie Madoff was getting up to look positively trivial, and Martha Stewart look like a cup cake. They both did jail time. Madoff probably isn't getting out alive. That's what this is about.

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My problem is about the Euro against the Pound. My artists never have to work very hard for their money, but the Euro crisis thingy leaves them all a tad poorer. They don't understand exchange rates being creative types. They do however scream down the phone.


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Ah, yes. Well I wish I could offer a positive thought about where that is going to end. Actually I think it will end OK eventually. But that might take some years. In the mean time I suspect the exchange rate could go the other way, in say a year's time, before the UK and the Eurozone eventually achieve parity by the UK joining the Eurozone! I'm not very popular for thinking that but I do. Not for maybe ten years but eventually. Little immediate comfort for your artists there. Fluctuations have always been a hazard of cross border trade but better to have the opportunity than not. Good luck.

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I was actually attacked by pirates off Willilabou Bay on St Vincent, before the film you allude to was even written! That's where they built the set for Port Royal. I was saved, and more importantly my very attractive 21 year old hostess/crew was saved by the Coast Guard, who looked even more ragged than the pirates! This was in about 2002 and it was very, very scary. So no, not legal even in the parts of the Caribbean where the last of the Caribs hang out! But yes, there are still a small number of pirates.

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I was actually attacked by pirates off Willilabou Bay on St Vincent, before the film you allude to was even written! That's where they built the set for Port Royal. I was saved, and more importantly my very attractive 21 year old hostess/crew was saved by the Coast Guard, who looked even more ragged than the pirates! This was in about 2002 and it was very, very scary. So no, not legal even in the parts of the Caribbean where the last of the Caribs hang out! But yes, there are still a small number of pirates.

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I have worked towards the dollar over the last two years (saw it coming). I admit that New Jersey and Vegas is not ideal for dance music , but we have to get away from the Euro. Music equals money and money equals diversity but above all else, music is money.

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Thanks, although we crossed posts - I was replying to the post before you.

Although - reading your previous post - I could probably apply it there too.

Best,
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