Hi guys
Is the effect on this guitar using an octave plugin. Part of the crisp tone is down to the EQ, but there also an octave touch there too.

Rufus and Chaka - You got the love

I believe the guitarist at the time was Al Ciner. A very underestimated talent IMO!
Does anyone know much more about him?

Thanks

I've just listened to the track on headphones a few times and there's a few things going on:
The opening guitar chord riff sounds like it's going directly into the amp and has quite a hard bodied sound - maybe a telecaster.
The bridge sounds like a different pickup setting - definitely a fender.
The guitar solo, and some complementary riffs have a fuzz effect.

I feel there's 2 different guitars.

Not sure if it's just me but I can't seem to open the link.....

Very nice track, very nice playing. Funny how they used to get so perfectly in time without ProTools :-)

If you mean the guitar that is doubling the bass, it might be being played in octaves (like George Benson). There is a whole school of jazzers of that era who do that as a matter of course. However, on my dodgy work comms headphones and youtube I have to confess that I can't really hear it properly.

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Instant gratification is actually pretty good. It's fast as well.

I think you will find it's Tony Maiden on guitar, he was the main Rufus player, Ciner was only on some early stuff I think. As I don't have that album I can't check.

As to the playing, if you mean the intro then that has no octave pedal. It's just funky!

+1 to the comment about playing in time, people learned to groove back in the day, you had to. Like the other poster said, no Pro Tools fixes then! I think a lot of young players don't know what a "groove" really is - not all of course, some very talented youngsters out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rags_to_Rufus

This is the LP that it comes from and wiki says it was Ciner, but Maiden was uncredited! Nice and confusing.

Discogs just lists what is on the sleeve

http://www.discogs.com/Rufus-Featuring-Chaka-Khan-Rags-To-Rufus/release/18 30446

I can't listen to the track at the moment.

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It was Tony Maiden on the intro lick I'm sure. I say this because Chaka re-did "You Got The Love" in 2008 on the album "Funk This". Tony Maiden was featured on the track and the guitar part sounds the same. I can't see Tony Maiden doing a guest spot on Chaka's album and picking someone else's riff as his main bit.

Edited by fletcher (15/06/12 12:52 PM)

Yes I'm aware that Tony Maiden was uncredited at the time, and they thought it was originally Jr Parker.It was said that Tony brought the talkbox effects to Rufus. Tony played it on "Live at the Savoy".
I remember at the time that they were talking about the "funkiest white guy" around who was being compared to Clapton in America and I'm quite sure I've seen him play it live.
Al Ciner was in the bands including Three Dog Night and The American Breed, which became Rufus. The music in those bands were completely different so I would find it hard to believe that Al would have stuck around if he couldn't play that type of thing, even though he left 2 years after.

Why wasn't Tony Maiden credited at the time? Maybe something to do with business and politcs? He became the main member after Al left....but did he play that riff?

An hard one to work out but definitely FUNKY as you say! I've listened to a few live versions but no one can quite get the original feel. The muted rhythm chords that support the topline is top class.

Sorry about the you tube quality but the CD sounds so good, and well produced.

Wow! After surfing online, there are so many people claiming who did what. It goes to show that so much is stolen from each other in this business. There is definitely a lot of politics involved.

I saw the Unsung documentary with Ray Parker Jr (didn't someone post that here or am I going crazy! Seems to have disappeared) and he plays it while someone else says it was him on the track. I'm still not a hundred per cent sure it was him playing but he definitely wrote the track and maybe came up with the riff. It seems to me that Al is the actual guitarist on track.

Ray Parker even wrote a hit for Leo Sayer but was never given a credit. This business has always been vile but the truth nearly always comes out.

I've just got a direct email from Ray Parker Jr:

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"Don't know who Al is and I've never seen him credited! Hes not on the album!

I played the guitar parts!

Tony hadn't joined the band till a year or so later!

Rufus was an all white ban except for the drummer back then"

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Makes me wonder how the credit system works!

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I've just got a direct email from Ray Parker Jr:

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Perhaps now is the time to ask him about the Huey Lewis - Ghostbusters controversy!

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I've just got a direct email from Ray Parker Jr:

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Perhaps now is the time to ask him about the Huey Lewis - Ghostbusters controversy!

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Haha! That's what makes me question who does what in the music biz Richie.

After a lot more research I think Ray played the opening funk riff but Al played the solo. Al left Rufus after this track was recorded and Tony Maiden came in just after. If Ray never heard of Al, then that means the producer had people in and out.
Al has done a lot of stuff with Bob Monaco, who produced this track, so It's highly likely that he appeared on it.

Well they are all great players anyway. Nice to see how many people here like Rufus.

I finally got around to listening to this last night. I agree with Fletcher in that it probably is just a straight guitar with no effects, just very well played.

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I finally got around to listening to this last night. I agree with Fletcher in that it probably is just a straight guitar with no effects, just very well played.

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Yep! I agree that the opening riff is a crispy clean guitar straight into the amp but the solo has a beautiful touch of fuzz but I wondered if there is just a touch of an octave in there.

Yes, the solo part way through could have a touch of something like an octave/detune. I wasn't 100% sure which part you were referring to, but that bit did catch my ear.

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just realised I have this album on vinyl - will have a good listen now.



Have to start digging out some of my vinyl again, I have hundreds of albums I haven't heard in years!