Neokoenig
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Organ Players
#993866 - 21/06/12 09:40 AM
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I recorded this in one take last night: (I'm the cameraman not the player!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9jyp5GE7mEManaged to get
two cameras, one on the feet, and one on the main manuals; Sound is coming from half way
down the Cathedral, 2 x NT5s pointing straight at the Organ, spaced about 10m apart, going
into a Saffire Pro40 + logic. No EQ etc, just ran it through Slate Digital VCC for a bit
of fun. Enjoy
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The Elf
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Neokoenig]
#993872 - 21/06/12 09:47 AM
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Sounds good - incredible player!
I'm getting more of this type of work too - it
can be quite a challenge, but it's a great feeling when it comes out as good as this isn't
it? Good job, man.
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Neokoenig
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: The Elf]
#993884 - 21/06/12 10:26 AM
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Good isn't he! Thanks for the kind comments.
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turbodave
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Neokoenig]
#993904 - 21/06/12 11:04 AM
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Nice! Posted it on Facebook. Dave
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Frisonic
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Neokoenig]
#993939 - 21/06/12 01:12 PM
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Really enjoyed that. The organ is the most amazing, complex instrument and its a treat to
have such an intimate view of a master player at work. I could only hear the sound on my
small laptop speakers but it sounded mightily right! I liked the two camera dynamic very
much for the rare insight into the footwork (and the right shoes)! Whenever anyone is
being rude about drummers I remind them that aside from the organ the kit drum is the only
other instrument that requires all four limbs to play. Not to mention the physical balance
and ability to play two parts at the same time. Although someone recently challenged that
idea by adding the harp to the list.
Its a lovely piece of work as it is. If it
were mine and I was looking at it the day after, I'd be asking myself if I could get
access back into the cathedral to take a little additional footage of the interior. I was
thinking a sweep shot from in front of the organ, around where you placed your mics, so we
could see the pipes and maybe a bit of the roof and windows, to edit in for a few seconds
here. Or if you felt that would detract from the intensity of seeing the performer at work
then just at the beginning, before the music starts (maybe up to the end of the first
note). Then cut into the first appropriate keyboard frame. The idea being to bring a
greater visual sense of the spatial quality of a cathedral recital. The organ wouldn't
need to be playing to get those and you could pick your day/time of day for the best
light.
Just a thought anyway. Thanks for sharing the work.
Francis
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Neokoenig
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Frisonic]
#993956 - 21/06/12 02:38 PM
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I did the whole 'views of the organ' bit when I did the very first one about 5 years ago
(see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSbD1bwqcmU&feature=plcp ) - The one
last night was a quick multicam edit really!
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Frisonic
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Neokoenig]
#993974 - 21/06/12 04:02 PM
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Really enjoyed that one too. The visual context of the cathedral did help me 'place' the
sound and it was fascinating to have the brief visual tour of the mighty instrument
itself. Your man Driskill-Smith doesn't seem to get any older, does he! And I swear those
are the same shoes, the perfect weight, shape and texture to get into all those pedals he
can't see and feel his way around. I wonder if there is a specialist organist shoe shop
tucked away in one of Europe's cloisters? Your two camera work last night really brought
the foot work dimension of the instrument alive and I wouldn't want to encourage you to
break the intensity of that particularly challenging performance. But if you felt like
adding a little wider environmental context prior to the performance I don't think you'd
be wasting your time. Anyway, you know you've done a good job when your 'quick and dirty'
first edit feels more or less like a finished product.
Broadening the subject
slightly, I'm a raving agnostic myself so I never go in them, but I've noticed that PAs
and the mixing of music in churches and places of worship comprise an enormous part of the
market for many of the products SOS review and advertise. I've often thought they must be
missing a trick, holding back on a regular 'God's GAS' feature (not implying for a moment
that any unwelcome 'gas' was emanating from those esteemed pipes last night...)!
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Mike Stranks
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Frisonic]
#993983 - 21/06/12 04:48 PM
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Quote Frisonic:
Broadening the
subject slightly, I'm a raving agnostic myself so I never go in them, but I've noticed
that PAs and the mixing of music in churches and places of worship comprise an enormous
part of the market for many of the products SOS review and advertise. I've often thought
they must be missing a trick, holding back on a regular 'God's GAS' feature (not implying
for a moment that any unwelcome 'gas' was emanating from those esteemed pipes last
night...)!
Just running with
this meander for a moment... in the UK you're talking about subsets of a subset.
In the UK the HoW market splits into two very different segments - the traditional
cathedrals and churches wanting clarity of speech in their reverberant caverns and then
the more informal, contemporary churches with their 'worship groups'.
The
first of these is highly specialised with little crossover into the sort of marketplace
that SoS gear reviews are concerned with. However, you're right about the second type of
HoW set-up - to a significant degree. I move reasonably seamlessly between 'conventional'
folk.acoustic gigs and the HoW sector where the gear and mixing techniques are almost the
same - biggest difference IMHO would be in the mixing technique. That said, HoW in the UK
is still a very small sector. The States is a VERY different proposition! I know of at
least three US mags devoted just to the HoW sector, with many of their churches operating
their own radio and TV set-ups too. In fact Peavey produce a range - "The Sanctuary range"
- which is aimed squarely at the HoW sector.
Getting back on track: thoroughly
enjoyed the vid. Great pics, excellent sound.
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Folderol
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Neokoenig]
#993993 - 21/06/12 05:56 PM
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Great, clear vid. Lovely sound, and astonishingly skilled performance. I was blown away by
that foot-work, especially having tried and failed miserably at even the most basic
stuff. Hmmm, I guess that's one guy who will never need an arpeggiator
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Neokoenig
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Folderol]
#994008 - 21/06/12 07:30 PM
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Quote Folderol:
Hmmm, I guess
that's one guy who will never need an arpeggiator
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Chaconne
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Neokoenig]
#994009 - 21/06/12 07:45 PM
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Astonishing.
I had to look the composer up - seams he was a favoured pupil of
Liszt. I have never heard music from that school composed for organ before. On Wiki
there is a picture of triplets in the pedal part!
Anyhow, aside from that -
nice recording of both the sound and performance. Spolied for choice in Oxford for
great music and 'venues'!
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Neokoenig
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Re: Organ Players
[Re: Chaconne]
#994011 - 21/06/12 07:50 PM
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Quote Chaconne:
Anyhow,
aside from that - nice recording of both the sound and performance. Spolied for
choice in Oxford for great music and 'venues'!
We are! Christ Church (where that was filmed) is the home playing
field so to speak. I was a layclerk/choral scholar there for 6 years (about 7-8 years
ago), so I'm lucky to have ample opportunity for flexing the video/recording bit.
It's actually one of the worst acoustics to sing in (this I can vouch for), and one of
the more difficult organs to play/make sound good (so I'm told). It's very dry, and very
revealing. As a singer, you get nothing back 'from the building' so can be very tiring
singing for 3 services on a Sunday.
If you get your pick of choral recording
venues in Ox, Merton is the favourite, and for good reason. Everyone sounds fab in there.
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