nice piece. Only one point really

"After all, I reckon David Guetta’s track was rendered catchier by its similarities to ‘Hotel California’, even if he did actually create that chord progression from scratch (while riding a flying pig).".... thing is - the Eagles didn't INVENT that chord sequence. It's a basic descending structure. Hotel Cali at best"assumed" that progression - but it wasn't new then as it isn't now. Listen to a hundred classic spanish folk songs to here it over and over again....

Or listen to "we used to know" Jethro Tull ....

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nice piece. Only one point really

"After all, I reckon David Guetta’s track was rendered catchier by its similarities to ‘Hotel California’, even if he did actually create that chord progression from scratch (while riding a flying pig).".... thing is - the Eagles didn't INVENT that chord sequence. It's a basic descending structure. Hotel Cali at best"assumed" that progression - but it wasn't new then as it isn't now. Listen to a hundred classic spanish folk songs to here it over and over again....

Or listen to "we used to know" Jethro Tull ....

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That's a fair defense in a general sense -- two tracks drawing from a common public-domain source, "there's nothing new under the sun", etc... But you could follow that line of argument all the way to the destruction of the whole idea of copyright if you wanted ("we're all using the same notes Bach did..."), and I think it doesn't quite stack up for me in this case. "We Used To Know" shares a lot of features with "Hotel California", for example, but I listen to those two tracks and think "oh, they're quite similar", rather than "that's outrageous" -- the time-signature is different and the last two chords have a distinctly different flavour to them.

It's clearly a question of degree, but that's why I quite liked the idea of 'letting the people decide' whether a credit should have been given. Must get round to setting that up...



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my argument was more that David Gs track is its own thing. It doesn't sound like Hotel California. Moral credits is a nice idea though.

Are we allowed to comment on how he looks? Because he looks like a geeza called Ned the Nose that I occasionally 'liaise' with. Of course, not the same genetics, but damn similar. Need a disclaimer in there somewhere.

'Guetta looks like Nerd the Nose but is in no way breaching Ned's genetic copyright'.

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hahah

I REALLY must remember that there is another Mike S who is far more important than me...

Had a nasty "What have I done now?" moment when I saw this thread... then I opened it...

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Are we allowed to comment on how he looks? Because he looks like a geeza called Ned the Nose that I occasionally 'liaise' with.

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Have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time? Hmmm....

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There is a point of view that any arranger who moans about not getting a songwriting credit for their work should stop being an arranger then, and write their own bloody tunes!

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Are we allowed to comment on how he looks? Because he looks like a geeza called Ned the Nose that I occasionally 'liaise' with.

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Have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time? Hmmm....

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Nope. But then I've never seen the Eagles and DG perform together....



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I laughed when I read Mike Senior's article, I thought everyone knew the Eagles "ripped" off Jethro Tull, there's only one chord difference, even the flute and lead guitar solos have similarities.

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There is a point of view that any arranger who moans about not getting a songwriting credit for their work should stop being an arranger then, and write their own bloody tunes!

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Well... some people don't have that flair but are bloody fantastic at making someone else's tosh into something fantastic (Delia Derbyshire's arrangement of Ron Grainger's Dr Who theme being just one - slightly obscure - example ... there are countless other mediocre tunes which have been elevated beyond recognition by the skills of an arranger, tunes that might otherwise have disappeared into abject obscurity).

But rather than writing "their own bloody tunes", maybe there should be some pressure that an arranger gets a few points on record sales (*) and airplay.

(*) Ha! Record sales! Remember those!

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