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gryfyx



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Innovative sounds & recording methods
      #804859 - 19/01/10 09:16 AM
Few innovative sounds that I've recorded

1. I bought an (ab)used and damaged midi synth. It gives me some very weird noises to record and edit. Its very unpredictable.

2. It had only been few minutes since a massive rain, ambiance was still wet, I carried a hand held sound recorder(Roland) and sat on a wet highway sidewalk, late at night, and I got some beautiful effects of cars whooshing by.

3. Hit the basketball on the solid tiled ground - record it - do the required filter tweaking and get a unique analog kick(Can try other balls and other flooring for better aural response).

4. I once stood on a rail bridge and recorded the passing train(I was dangerously close to the train, hence I'll not recommend this). Anyhow, I ended up not using it anywhere. It wasnt that good.

5. Place a table fan(run it on slow speed)between source of sound(Voice is recommended) and mic(Large diaphragm mic), get a very interesting stutter.

6. Try speaking anything and record it(Can, actually, take any voice. But it must be spoken one, not a sung one.) - take another track of synth melody - place sidechain compressor over synth melody - define vocal recording as the source for the sidechaining - put some subtle(Very subtle) automation on synth filter cutoff - keep resonance low(Not very low) - set the gain accordingly - and finally let the voice modulate synth sound - synth will start trying to say something. Loud and clear vocals will help.

7. Deep Fry something on the pan - and record the noise - get a nice warm sound effect of rain - pass the recording through some effects like reverb(But very subtle. I repeat, very subtle).

Note:- Let the reverb always be a mushy Utopian gadget for 'Enya' like aliens. Less of it is better, but remember less doesnt mean inaudible.

8. Light a match - record it upclose - trim the middle portion of the sample - shape it into a sustain loop - put no effect at all - no compressor even - although, can use filter to take care of few anomalies like background hiss or any click or glitch - turn the level absolutely down - try mixing this sustain loop into any track or song by bringing up the level - raise the level very carefully so that loop is barely audible - and soon fade back in - and continue fiddling level whenever feel required.

9. I once recorded my fart. Never used it though.

10. And snores.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #804875 - 19/01/10 10:36 AM
Quote AuralSerenity:


9. I once recorded my fart. Never used it though.





Not myself but if you find track 2 on this EP anywhere then that's pretty much that covered.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #804896 - 19/01/10 11:23 AM
I'm sure Martin Walker could go for several pages on this!

I once recorded a printer/photocopier at work which when it had run out of paper, would make a very robotic/mechanical sound and then beep in a kind of flatline way. I've used it raw once at the end of an ambient piece but it could do with some manipulation one day.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Richie Royale]
      #804898 - 19/01/10 11:27 AM
Quote Richie Royale:


I once recorded a printer/photocopier at work which when it had run out of paper, would make a very robotic/mechanical sound and then beep in a kind of flatline way.




Printer Jam by Mistabishi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-HVxmUELQ

One of the best videos I saw last year with some pretty cool sampling.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Pete Kaine]
      #804901 - 19/01/10 11:29 AM
Can't see TB at work, but I only became aware of that track late last year, but I've still not heard it. Think I got my sample about 5 years ago.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #804904 - 19/01/10 11:37 AM
I've not yet got round to recording it, but I'm currently using a bit of test kit which, when turned on, emits the most fantastic descending filter sweep, probably from the power supply energising. That in itself isn't too unusual, but the odd thing here is that it has a massive rich reverb sound on the sweep as well. I've no idea quite how an industrial PC in a plain metal box can do this - and at the price of this gear, I can't exactly buy one just for the noise it makes! I'll defo get it recorded for future use before I leave here though.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Pete Kaine]
      #804905 - 19/01/10 11:49 AM
That was a nice DnB track.

Would be great if any other such innovative skill can be shared.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #804926 - 19/01/10 12:54 PM
I do a lot of this kind of stuff, from swinging speakers and mics around on strings, to abusing all kinds of innocent electronic toys well past their maker's intentions. Tiny amps, radios, record players and tape recorders can all be pressed into service.

I have a speaker that I swing between mics, but it seems to have given up the ghost until I can rustle up a replacement. I've used all kinds of percussive noises for drums. An old vinyl car seat can give you an incredible kick drum. Broken speakers, suitably stressed, can yeild some amazing sounds.

All kinds of containers and kitchen-ware are also fair game. Did you know that the 'unscrewing' sound on the 'War of the Worlds' album was two pans being ground together!?

Oh, and layer, layer, layer. Mingle the nice and the nasty.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #804932 - 19/01/10 01:13 PM
Welcome to the SOS Forums AuralSerenity!

And thanks for making your first post such an interesting one.

One of my favourite captured sounds just recently was from an anglepoise lamp - the springs at the angle made a wonderful V'ger style boing when pitched down a little (as heard in 'Star Trek - The Motion Picture' - you can hear the sound I was after at 0:51 in this YouTube snippet www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwLrEcwtFM4 )

Interestingly the sounds was fairly quiet with the mic near the springs themselves, but got amplified beautifully by the conical lamp surround when I moved the mic there.

Folk interested in this thread may also be interested in my 'Warmer Sounds From Digital Synths' feature from SOS January 2010, which includes lots of techniques to add interest to sterile sounds:

www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan10/articles/warmingsynths.htm


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #804955 - 19/01/10 02:22 PM
Thanx Martinwalker. I think I'll love my presence among such knowers.

Anyhow, after starting this thread I did a little internet research and found this out -

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314644,

Its very interesting but some of them are sincerely mistaken there. For instance
'bananaboy' who said
"Jim Morrison of The Doors recorded the vocals on one of their songs (I forgot which) while a girl was, um, performing fellatio on him."

Now that is wrong. that incident occurred in elevator and Pamela (Jim's chick) happen to see all that. No recording of sound or visual was getting done.

What a preposterous myth!

Well, thanx everyone and please continue leaving some interesting dope.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #804961 - 19/01/10 02:37 PM
Thanx 'The Elf', thanx a lot. pan thing in war of the worlds was amazing.
And about "I have a speaker that I swing between mics, but it seems to have given up the ghost until I can rustle up a replacement." that you mentioned, could you please elaborate that, I think I'm getting a different picture.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #805018 - 19/01/10 04:40 PM
Many years ago in the small hours I decided it would be a good idea to record dripping taps, and got some interesting sounds. water dripping onto shampoo bottles etc, and managed to get the gurgling sound of water going down a plughole by emptying the sink and mic'ing the bath plughole. unfortunately water came out of the bath plughole and drowned the mic. still, I chopped up the drip samples and put them onto sequencer tracks in Fruityloops and made a trippy ambient song, combined with samples of the TV that was going mental - strange fizzing and popping sounds!

More recently I recorded a full washing machine cycle most of it was quite boring but the spin cycle was pretty exciting, oh yeah. I put it through scuzzphutt (free rhythmic gate VST) and it worked great.

My top tip for innovative sounds: have a smoke and pick up a mic.

I don't smoke any more so haven't done this since I bought my zoom H4...

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #805047 - 19/01/10 05:34 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

And about "I have a speaker that I swing between mics, but it seems to have given up the ghost until I can rustle up a replacement." that you mentioned, could you please elaborate



Get yourself a space where you can suspend an amped speaker face down on a long string; I usually tie mine to the rafters in my garage. I feed the speaker cable along the string too. Measure the extent of the speaker's swing (I have mine travel around 8 feet) and set up a couple of upward-pointing mics at the extremes of the arc.

Then... either swing the speaker in an arc between the mics, or spin it in a circle between the mics, and feed a signal to the speaker. You'll need to keep the swing going if you want to record for any length of time. I love this effect behind a guitar solo. You can also set the mics up X/Y in the centre and circle the speaker around the mics.

I first started doing this kind of thing because I couldn't afford a Leslie (or a Hammond for that matter!), but now I pull the trick because it's just fun and it keeps people guessing how you're getting this incredible swirly effect! It's a bit of a faff to set up (and not one for the winter months!), but it's worth the effort.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: The Elf]
      #805074 - 19/01/10 06:23 PM
I love using moving mic/speaker techniques like that Elf

For the less adventurous who want to avoid damaging their mics through accidental string snapping, just set up a couple of mics a few feet apart and then move your source around manually while you record - this works great with bells, percussion, and singing bowls in particular.

Instant Doppler shift if you can do it quickly enough


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Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #805393 - 20/01/10 07:08 PM
I've recently started doing some circuit bending. Its not a great recording technique if you dont know how to go about it, but can be outright alien technology(I truly mean it) if done with skill. I saw a video on circuit bended instrument, instantly loved it. There are three videos, I mentioned the first one, here it is check it out Circuit Bended Machine: Acid Machine



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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #805396 - 20/01/10 07:12 PM
Quote Martin Walker:

I love using moving mic/speaker techniques like that Elf

For the less adventurous who want to avoid damaging their mics through accidental string snapping, just set up a couple of mics a few feet apart and then move your source around manually while you record - this works great with bells, percussion, and singing bowls in particular.

Instant Doppler shift if you can do it quickly enough


Martin




Wow, it seems lot many are doing this.

would definitely try.



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Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #805411 - 20/01/10 08:27 PM
Hey guys whoever is keen to learn circuit bending can check this out: http://www.anti-theory.com/soundart/circuitbend/

Another nice recording technique, although this might turn out to be a bit pricey-- Take a "pressure zone microphone" and attach it to any percussion instrument's body and then see the magic of clarity in the low frequencies. Can make some really, really bouncing and heavily pounding kicks.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #805605 - 21/01/10 02:42 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Hey guys whoever is keen to learn circuit bending can check this out: http://www.anti-theory.com/soundart/circuitbend/




That's an interesting one thanks.

Quote:

Another nice recording technique, although this might turn out to be a bit pricey-- Take a "pressure zone microphone" and attach it to any percussion instrument's body and then see the magic of clarity in the low frequencies. Can make some really, really bouncing and heavily pounding kicks.




It needn't be expensive - I seem to remember Tandy (Radio Shack) having some very reasonably priced Pressure Zone Microphones some years back that people were using to record all sorts of stuff. Here's a thread from our previous (version 2) forum on the subject:

http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=215094572&f=8840996 44&m=830106272

...and here's a useful history of the PZM:

www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/index.htm


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #805638 - 21/01/10 04:33 PM
Quote Martin Walker:

Quote AuralSerenity:

Hey guys whoever is keen to learn circuit bending can check this out: http://www.anti-theory.com/soundart/circuitbend/




That's an interesting one thanks.

Quote:

Another nice recording technique, although this might turn out to be a bit pricey-- Take a "pressure zone microphone" and attach it to any percussion instrument's body and then see the magic of clarity in the low frequencies. Can make some really, really bouncing and heavily pounding kicks.




It needn't be expensive - I seem to remember Tandy (Radio Shack) having some very reasonably priced Pressure Zone Microphones some years back that people were using to record all sorts of stuff. Here's a thread from our previous (version 2) forum on the subject:

http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=215094572&f =884099644&m=830106272

...and here's a useful history of the PZM:

www.uneeda-audio.com/pzm/index.htm


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Thanx Martin.
I dont know why but out here in India PZM's are not all that cheap.

Off-topic query removed and replied to by PM - MW

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #805665 - 21/01/10 06:00 PM
Quote Martin Walker:

It needn't be expensive - I seem to remember Tandy (Radio Shack) having some very reasonably priced Pressure Zone Microphones some years back



I still have a pair of Tandy PZMs, bought way back in the 80s, modified for balanced connection and phantom power (thank you Paul White). Can't say I use them often, but they were a revelation at the time. We got some amazing drum recordings with them taped to the walls of the live room.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #806215 - 23/01/10 08:42 PM
I've done alot of stuff like this including many of those posted... Not always using mics either!

I've recorded industrial machinery, squeaky gates, almost everything in my tool shed (well worth doing) and kitchen, my dogs grumbles and barks, animals birds and insects etc. I've recently taken to setting my H4 to record, popping it in a pocket then going about my daily activities as usual... Me spitting out toothpaste makes a pretty good snare! Regarding the recording of insects, I have a cheap (and not that good) tie clip mic that I got from Tandy about 15 years back. I've attached that to a thin aluminium bar and poked it into ants nests as well as attached it to flowers to capture the sound of bees and other feeding insects very close up. That mic really is good for getting into inaccessible places and capturing quiet sound sources at close quarters... I really must get a better one though.

Another thing I do is use an electro-magnetic pickup designed for recording phone conversations (a guitar pickup works just as well) and hold it near all sorts of electrical equipment. Computers and digital gear can provide all sorts of strangeness, some very useful and playable when assembled into patches. Small battery powered electric motors can also sound amazing when captured this way with a bit of chorus and reverb.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Shreddie]
      #806293 - 24/01/10 07:46 AM
Quote Shreddie:

I've done alot of stuff like this including many of those posted... Not always using mics either!

I've recorded industrial machinery, squeaky gates, almost everything in my tool shed (well worth doing) and kitchen, my dogs grumbles and barks, animals birds and insects etc. I've recently taken to setting my H4 to record, popping it in a pocket then going about my daily activities as usual... Me spitting out toothpaste makes a pretty good snare! Regarding the recording of insects, I have a cheap (and not that good) tie clip mic that I got from Tandy about 15 years back. I've attached that to a thin aluminium bar and poked it into ants nests as well as attached it to flowers to capture the sound of bees and other feeding insects very close up. That mic really is good for getting into inaccessible places and capturing quiet sound sources at close quarters... I really must get a better one though.

Another thing I do is use an electro-magnetic pickup designed for recording phone conversations (a guitar pickup works just as well) and hold it near all sorts of electrical equipment. Computers and digital gear can provide all sorts of strangeness, some very useful and playable when assembled into patches. Small battery powered electric motors can also sound amazing when captured this way with a bit of chorus and reverb.




Thanx Shreddie. Please share some more.

Well, Motor of the tooth brush can generate the noise of mosquito buzzing around your head. You need to touch it on any surface to make variations.

Best bass sound I ever made was through the couple of PZM's sticking on the drum's body and a couple of small diaphragm mics in xy position near hats. Feed through the pzm was on a separate track and when I checked it later, I was amazed by the loud, crisp and much bigger kick sound, even a part of the snare was almost kick like. Entire bass seem to have more depth. Fascinating thing was, I still had quite a headroom available.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #806517 - 25/01/10 01:36 AM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Thanx Shreddie. Please share some more.



There's not really much more to share, besides, I don't want to give away all my secrets! Although I usually record at 96k when I fancy getting creative with something, that means I can slow it down without loosing as much quality.

The way I see it, just experiment and keep an open mind. Nothing is out of bounds when you're getting creative with sound IMHO.

Speed stuff up, slow stuff down, whack it though strange effects, pop it in a synth and mangle it up, layer another sound alongside it, record that then start again if you wish!

Just think about it, a ten minute recording of you just hanging around on your local highstreet on a busy Saturday could yeld 1000 sounds. If you take just one of those sounds and put it into a synth you can come up with a million permutations.

When you're getting creative with sound, the world really is your lobster!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #808046 - 30/01/10 01:33 PM
This thread is bang-on, there are a lot of sounds out there, it's simply a case of knowing the best way to capture, and then utilize those sounds. Sometimes the process of capturing a sound (as in the swinging mic idea, or sustaining a particular portion of a sample) can reveal fresh sounds and harmonics that were previously hidden.

Not a new idea by any means but I use Guitar Rig a lot to manipulate sounds and loops, the GUI is perfect for experimenting with complex effects chains, albeit largely limited to guitar stomp boxes and amp models.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #808370 - 01/02/10 09:04 AM
Not something I've used that much, but these days most phones have the ability to record, and some of them are low quality enough to change the tone of a sound. You can get some interesting percussive tones from random sources. I've also used one of those little sampler mics, a gimmicky toy, but again they change the tone into something unique.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Richie Royale]
      #808373 - 01/02/10 09:11 AM
Over the weekend I took my zoom H4 to my old parents house and recorded the sounds of doors opening and closing. very strange hearing sounds I used to hear for 20 odd years of my life coming out of my monitors!

I was in the garden waiting to record a tube train going past and a police helicopter appeared and hovered literally overhead! that sounds pretty good.

Recently I also sat at the back of a bus on the journey home from work - some very interesting harmonics in a powerful diesel engine

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #808689 - 02/02/10 11:41 AM
...a wooden spoon on the rim of a saucepan gives a lovely soft percussive sound; you know, when you've just stirred the contents and are tapping what's left on the spoon back into the pan. It helps to soften the sound if the spoon is old (which I guess means its soaked up a lot of water in its time) and the saucepan needs to have something in it - seriously! (usually chicken curry in my case)


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: The Bunk]
      #808776 - 02/02/10 04:59 PM
Hi The Bunk!

I hope you're creating your hi-hat sounds from breaking papadums as well.

The kitchen is a wonderful source of audio possibilities, from the saucepans you mention to cutlery, metal trays found inside the oven, glasses used as percussion/bells, and of course cutting up vegetables


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #808785 - 02/02/10 05:17 PM
Quote Martin Walker:

Hi The Bunk!

I hope you're creating your hi-hat sounds from breaking papadums as well.

The kitchen is a wonderful source of audio possibilities, from the saucepans you mention to cutlery, metal trays found inside the oven, glasses used as percussion/bells, and of course cutting up vegetables


Martin




hmm, not tried those yet, but it's a little-known fact that the famous "aaaaaaargh" in Comfortbaly Numb is in fact taken from someone sampling my chicken vindaloo....


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: The Bunk]
      #811344 - 12/02/10 05:34 PM
Quote The Bunk:


hmm, not tried those yet, but it's a little-known fact that the famous "aaaaaaargh" in Comfortbaly Numb is in fact taken from someone sampling my chicken vindaloo....




I too had your vindaloo and am the source for the final impact moment in the film Comet.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #811626 - 13/02/10 10:36 PM
Scraping the backs of two regular knives together can sound a bit like swords when pitched down a few octaves. For a nice synthetic old analogue drum machine style open hi-hat, try spraying an aerosol can. (I spent far too many years tracking before using a proper sequencer, so spent a lot of my teenage years finding weird household sounds to mangle.)


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: ZoeB]
      #811884 - 15/02/10 10:47 AM
...and don't forget while you're sampling your aerosols to capture the sound of them being tapped with a finger/beater/wooden spoon etc.

Especially when partly rather than completely full, they make wonderful pitch-wobbling waterphone-style percussive noises.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #813710 - 22/02/10 12:20 AM
I once sampled the sound of me hitting a cheap dynamic mic on a loaf of bread, it made a dull thud but with a sharp percussive attack.

Also good fun is saying a sentence (or singing it) into a sampler, Reversing the sample and learning to say it phonetically. You then re-sample yourself saying (or singing) the backwards version and reverse it again. It never sounds like the original idea and sometimes can sound quite cool.

I got my friend to say Cheeky Monkey and went through the process. It ended up sounding like "Sheeky Mogwai"

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #813790 - 22/02/10 11:06 AM
One of the most interesting pad sounds I made was by sampling the fan on a backup hard drive that I had which was quite noisey, I used a SDC about half an inch from the fan and of centre so you didn't get the air noise.

I then pitched it down 2 octaves, used a resonant filter, an LFO or two. Slow Attack, bit of sustain. Very cool.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: MarkOne]
      #813832 - 22/02/10 12:35 PM
Computers can be great sources of new sounds MarkOne. Once you open your ears to sound possibilities happening all around you, the sky's the limit!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: MarkOne]
      #813843 - 22/02/10 12:57 PM
Quote MarkOne:

One of the most interesting pad sounds I made was by sampling the fan on a backup hard drive that I had which was quite noisey, I used a SDC about half an inch from the fan and of centre so you didn't get the air noise.

I then pitched it down 2 octaves, used a resonant filter, an LFO or two. Slow Attack, bit of sustain. Very cool.




My fan oven makes a great (or should that be grating) sound when it's on high and the door is open. If you then switch it off, it makes a lovely wind-down sound. It'll be sampled in due course!

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Richie Royale]
      #813849 - 22/02/10 01:05 PM
Never underestimate the joys of a plastic cup and a good microphone!

I've done everything from a horse race to a tropical rain storm, conga slap to saxophone valve clicks with that combination!

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #813891 - 22/02/10 03:42 PM
I mostly try and use 'real' sounds in a lot of my recordings. From the obvious (rain, wind, etc) to the not so....

so far I have used:

The sound of a slug eating mildew off my shower curtain. great sound - a kind of 'rasping' - very close mic, dead of the night and holding my breath!

Zips

Rulers boinging on a desk (like you did in school)

old water cooler bottles for drum sounds

coin spins

coin scraping on zips

water shaking in bottles

burping

most of the above can be heard in my track 'soundhead is vulnerable' on my soundhead link below....

I spent a bit of time in NY, and wandered around with a mic - got a lot of snatched conversations, traffic noise, etc. All sorts of things can be used to good effect with the right editing. I interviewed an old man once about certain things to do with Bristol. he got more and more impatient, and his last sentence to me was 'I'm not interested in any of it' - great sample!

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: geefunk]
      #814801 - 25/02/10 08:56 PM
During one recording session where I had brought all the toys (my big percussion bag), we got great sounds using a kid's toy called 'Spacephones'. Essentially a thin stretchy naked spring reverb with a plastic cone attached at each end. Affixed one end right in front of a microphone, and played with stretching the spring out, hitting it with chopsticks, running them along the length of it, etc. Great sounds. Hit the jackpot by stretching the spring to between 6 to 9 feet out and singing in falsetto through the free end. Got a wonderful etherial vocal sound.


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      #814847 - 25/02/10 11:17 PM
There are some seriously good suggestions tucked away in this thread

In my opinion the sign of a good sound designer is one who's ears are always open to new possibilities, however bizarre they initially seem.

And with that in mind, I created an excellent velocity-layered 'bass guitar' last week from tapping a vacuum cleaner plastic hose

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      #814880 - 26/02/10 08:30 AM
Would love to hear the vacuum bass thingy Martin.

I bet tuning it was fun huh?

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Zukan]
      #815003 - 26/02/10 03:07 PM
Now, now, no sniping please - I sttrreettcchheedd it


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #815014 - 26/02/10 04:15 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Thanx Martinwalker. I think I'll love my presence among such knowers.

Anyhow, after starting this thread I did a little internet research and found this out -

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314644,

Its very interesting but some of them are sincerely mistaken there. For instance
'bananaboy' who said
"Jim Morrison of The Doors recorded the vocals on one of their songs (I forgot which) while a girl was, um, performing fellatio on him."

Now that is wrong. that incident occurred in elevator and Pamela (Jim's chick) happen to see all that. No recording of sound or visual was getting done.

What a preposterous myth!

Well, thanx everyone and please continue leaving some interesting dope.




I mixed my 1991 album 'Clarity', naked.

My compter drives generated so much heat that working in my non-air con studio was almost unbearable.

I'm not sure it generated any particularly innovative techniques though!

However, hanging a speaker over a three speed turntable with a cardboard tube on the platter with a few holes in it does create a nice doppler/leslie effect - with multiple speeds!

More hardware hacking http://www.digitalartistshandbook.org/hardware

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #815183 - 27/02/10 11:36 AM
Martin always works naked.

Infact, when he's at Expo the Sos stand has the longest queue (did that come across a bit porn?).

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Zukan]
      #815240 - 27/02/10 03:37 PM
Untrue

The reason that the SOS stand alwyas has a long queue is that we take our time chatting to people

Interesting link from Stephen though - thanks for that!


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      #819562 - 17/03/10 05:39 PM
I stuck four contact mics close to the corners of a round metal table once and used it as a percussion instrument (EDIT: by close to the corners, I mean equidistant around - obviously circles have quite a few corners)... played back through a quad setup, it actually got pretty good spatial imaging, from hitting and scraping different parts of it. It also worked surprisingly well recording overdubs; each layer remained fairly coherent and defined.

Recently, I've discovered the joy of preparing strings with alligator clips: inspired by this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPIGkKxwgcQ and also quite effective for more percussive use (quite gamelan-esque sounds). Similar kinds of stuff to the album 'Stick Music' by the Clogs, which I adore.

Slinkys are good. Sliiiiiinky even better: http://www.firstpr.com.au/slinky/audio/

I made a synthesiser in Reaktor ages ago which used some quasi-physical modelling (lots of short delay lines with some filtering), fed by contact mics attached to the surface of my laptop (with the lid closed); so I could touch it gently with my fingertips or whack it with a pen and it would respond quite naturally with some of the dynamics of an acoustic instrument (but warping and morphing in impossible ways).

I might get hold of a couple of soundbugs one day, for routing signals through real acoustic objects. Does anyone have any experience with them? http://www.paramountzone.com/soundbug.htm

Cheers all!

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: xinaesthetic]
      #819648 - 18/03/10 01:24 AM
Nice links xinaesthetic!

Having watched the YouTube video of the prepared guitar I'll certainly be buying some alligator clips tomorrow

Those soundbugs also look most interesting, especially at just £24.99

Keep those quirky sound design links coming!


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      #819698 - 18/03/10 11:01 AM
A hydrophone is another thing on my potential shopping list at the moment, to complement my underwater camera. Again, pretty cheap at £30. Since this is quite niché, I think if you want higher quality you end up looking at much much more expensive devices.

FWIW, as a graduate of 'Sonic Arts' at Middlesex, I have more experience of the unusual side of things than I do of actually recording normal music.
sadly, I hear that course is being shut down.

I wish everyone happy listening, playing, tweaking... mostly listening. Re the comment earlier about carrying a recorder around routinely: even if you don't gather useful sounds for music, this can completely transform your perception of the environment. Note to self: do more of this.

For anyone interested in field recording of nature; it may be worth setting up equipment and leaving it to record for a while, so that any person-shy creatures are not scared away and you don't have to stay unnaturally still for prolonged periods. I've not tried this myself, I read it at http://www.franciscolopez.net/amazon.html ... guess things are a bit different in the Amazon, though.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #819720 - 18/03/10 12:42 PM
Another one of my own projects was to record the sound of a completely blank 7" single. The 'sound' I got was just a gentle hiss and crackle, but enough to manipulate in a sampler to produce this...

blank record

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: xinaesthetic]
      #819737 - 18/03/10 01:35 PM
Quote xinaesthetic:

A hydrophone is another thing on my potential shopping list at the moment, to complement my underwater camera. Again, pretty cheap at £30.




Yeah - I was reading that page myself only a couple of days ago. Interesting stuff. You could make your own, but JrF prices are indeed very reasonable.


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      #819745 - 18/03/10 02:06 PM
Quote Martin Walker:

Yeah - I was reading that page myself only a couple of days ago. Interesting stuff. You could make your own, but JrF prices are indeed very reasonable.



Indeed, it had occurred to me that it would be quite feasible to knock something together... but given that JrF has clearly put time, thought and care into reaching the design he has, it seems quite prudent to go with his. I'd hate to discover a critical fault in my own DIY attempt while I was away at some remote location with a chance of getting some really interesting material... and it would make me happy to support his work too, albeit modestly.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #820125 - 19/03/10 06:35 PM
I've recently started using different camera sounds in my tracks, such as different shutter speeds cut up and sequenced for rhythmic elements, the ejection of a polaroid photo from the camera, filtered and sliced up with some added delay to sound like seagulls and the sound of an 8mm video camera from the 50s whirring and rattling away. All recorded in my room with a steady hand and a SM58!

Now I own a portable recorder i plan to experiment with alot more recording random samples out and about on my travels. The ideas in this thread are brilliant though!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: robocod]
      #820172 - 20/03/10 12:53 AM
Glad you're enjoying them polyroy!

Camera sounds are great for rhythmic use, as are typewriters, washing machines, clocks...


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #820861 - 23/03/10 12:56 AM
Yeah, i'm going to see if i can run some of the samples through the doepfer system at my university to create some even more interesting sounds, put some bleeps and bloops in there! Any ideas of easy ways to do this? I was thinking of just using the outputs of the computer's soundcard straight through the modules and back into the soundcard seeing as i don't have access to a sampler!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #820938 - 23/03/10 11:46 AM
I was in my kitchen on Sunday listening to "Everybody loves the Sunshine" by Roy Ayers (not the R.A.M.P) version and my washing machine was on spin. For a large part of the song, my washing machine was in pitch with the sustained high pitch synth that runs through the track, even causing some chorusing in parts.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Richie Royale]
      #820946 - 23/03/10 12:17 PM
Quote Richie Royale:

I was in my kitchen on Sunday listening to "Everybody loves the Sunshine" by Roy Ayers (not the R.A.M.P) version and my washing machine was on spin. For a large part of the song, my washing machine was in pitch with the sustained high pitch synth that runs through the track, even causing some chorusing in parts.

Must get the mics out and get recording!




Thought I'd posted this before, but I used an H4 to record a full washing machine cycle. Some fantastic rhythymic sounds in there, and the spin at the end makes a great finale: 5 mins or so of crescendo!

I grabbed the spin cycle and put it through scuzzphut (a great free VST btw), AWESOME! you'd never know it was a washing machine, it brings a smile to my face everytime someone asks me what that trancey sound is.

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      #820948 - 23/03/10 12:18 PM
PS washing machine + auto-tune = ???

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      #820952 - 23/03/10 12:52 PM
Quote discomb:

PS washing machine + auto-tune = Most modern pop music vocals




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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: discomb]
      #820957 - 23/03/10 01:06 PM
Quote discomb:

I grabbed the spin cycle and put it through scuzzphut (a great free VST btw), AWESOME! you'd never know it was a washing machine, it brings a smile to my face everytime someone asks me what that trancey sound is.




Hi discomb!

Fascinating stuff - sadly the scuzzphut site ( www.scuzzphut.com ) seems to be up for sale. Anybody got any idea where the freeware scuzzphut can be downloaded now?

Belay that request - just found it at www.fyxm.net/download-now-scuzzphut-Multimedia-Audio-Audio-Plugins-47740.h tml

(A few minutes later) NICE! It's like a very immediate, free and extremely cut-down version of CamelSpace. Instant trance as you say


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #820989 - 23/03/10 02:30 PM
Hi discomb!

Fascinating stuff - sadly the scuzzphut site ( www.scuzzphut.com ) seems to be up for sale. Anybody got any idea where the freeware scuzzphut can be downloaded now?

Belay that request - just found it at www.fyxm.net/download-now-scuzzphut-Multimedia-Audio-Audio-Plugins-47740.h tml

(A few minutes later) NICE! It's like a very immediate, free and extremely cut-down version of CamelSpace. Instant trance as you say
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That's the 'lite' version, the 'full' version now seems to be absent from the interweb

I still have a copy, not sure if I'm allowed to share it with others now? It was a free download a year or so ago. The KVR website shows a fancy looking screenshot of scuzzphut v2.0, I have the older version.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: discomb]
      #821014 - 23/03/10 04:24 PM
Now THAT does look more interesting:



If it was free then I don't see any problem in it being shared.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #821015 - 23/03/10 04:31 PM
Here's the extremely creative CamelSpace:



More info here: www.camelaudio.com/camelspace.php

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      #821097 - 23/03/10 08:38 PM
Here's the biggest screenshot I could find of scuzzphut6 v1:



As far as I can tell it has the same functionality as the slicker looking v2.0 above.

"Here is the link for your file, which will be available for 7 Days or 100 downloads."

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #822962 - 31/03/10 03:30 PM
Quote Martin Walker:

In my opinion the sign of a good sound designer is one who's ears are always open to new possibilities, however bizarre they initially seem.



Very true... But once you've been doing it for a while even the bizarre seems quite normal!

Quote geefunk:

I spent a bit of time in NY, and wandered around with a mic - got a lot of snatched conversations, traffic noise, etc. All sorts of things can be used to good effect with the right editing.



I did the same when I was in London a few weeks back with my H4. Grabbing sounds of the traffic, the ambience of the Natural history museum etc... I did get some funny looks on the tube though, it seems that Londoners get a little twitchy when they see a bearded man carrying a rucksack and holding a handheld device with a glowing red button!

I did get some cracking sounds though, a bloke sneezed on the tube and thanks to the resonance of the near empty carriage it makes a great snare, a looped short snippet of a girl having a conversation had made a nice pad sound, then there's the sound of the train itself... There's some quite nice rhythms/loops, mechanical noises, the sound of the motors themselves etc.

More recently I've recorded a mate laying a laminate floor, bumps and bangs make for some cool drums, I'm working on something where he's sawing and there's a few vocal snippets that seem promising too.

I've recently got one of those Rycote windjammers for my H4... It's brill! Not as effective as some of the big pro jobbies but it's far more portable and still very good... Much better than the included foam windshield that comes with the H4 (thought you slip the windjammer over the top of that) and as a bonus it fits fairly snugly onto my Rode NT3 too.



If you're into your field recording but get brassed off with wind noise I strongly recommend one for whichever recorder you have... Reasonably effective as a pop shield too.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #826626 - 14/04/10 07:05 AM
...back to the culinary slant on things, I'm thinking of attempting recording a pot of something like rice being cooked in boiling water; a nice, soft bubbling-away type sound. Somebody elsehwere here has suggested recording something being deep-fried, which I guess is quite similar. I'm hoping for an effect along the lines of the background noise of a vintage crackly LP.
Any tips apart from the blindingly obvious ones such as not knackering up a decent mic by enveloping it steam... ??!!?


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Quote The Bunk:

...back to the culinary slant on things, I'm thinking of attempting recording a pot of something like rice being cooked in boiling water; a nice, soft bubbling-away type sound. Somebody elsehwere here has suggested recording something being deep-fried, which I guess is quite similar. I'm hoping for an effect along the lines of the background noise of a vintage crackly LP.
Any tips apart from the blindingly obvious ones such as not knackering up a decent mic by enveloping it steam... ??!!?




Wash rice. Cover with about an inch of water, then bring to the boil as rapidly as possible. Once boiling, turn the heat down as low as possible, and cook for 20 minutes, WITHOUT taking the lid off ever - the steam helps to fluff up the rice. Perfect....

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      #826639 - 14/04/10 09:05 AM
...actually, that's a lot more bloody useful than you may think...


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      #826777 - 14/04/10 03:27 PM
Good advice there - separate fluffy grains can indeed sound more analogue

More seriously, I’d be inclined to use a shotgun mic placed slightly further away, or a large mesh screen between the mic and the pot, to avoid any expensive splashback


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: geefunk]
      #826794 - 14/04/10 03:49 PM
Quote geefunk:


Wash rice. Cover with about an inch of water, then bring to the boil as rapidly as possible. Once boiling, turn the heat down as low as possible, and cook for 20 minutes, WITHOUT taking the lid off ever - the steam helps to fluff up the rice. Perfect....




Chop an onion, a whole head of garlic, fry till golden then add salt, one puree, one chopped tomatoes and one chili sliced sideways. Add cubed fillet of lamb and simmer for 1 hour.

Slice one potato into thin slices and lay at the bottom of a pot that has been glazed with butter and let it cook a little. Turn over potatoes and cook until golden.

Lay a single layer of stew on top of potatoes and one layer of rice. Repeat until stew and rice are finished.
Add saffron boiled and cooled overnight.

Simmer for one hour.

Serious ethnic meal from back home.

Oh, and sample every stage with one sdc and one overhead ldc (you see how cleverly I brought this back on topic, huh, huh?).

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #826949 - 15/04/10 07:49 AM
Hmmm, interesting ideas. I was also considering the more conventional set-up of an AKGD112 on the oven, the good old SM57 on the small rear burner, maybe a 58 on the large gas ring at the front and a couple of NT5s for overheads...


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      #827486 - 16/04/10 10:40 PM
Quote The Bunk:

Hmmm, interesting ideas. I was also considering the more conventional set-up of an AKGD112 on the oven, the good old SM57 on the small rear burner, maybe a 58 on the large gas ring at the front and a couple of NT5s for overheads...




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      #843912 - 03/07/10 01:39 AM
Hi, Its been a long time since I visited this haven. I was too busy trying to decipher 'how to run Metasynth-> Metasynth on Bill Gates' ass', and apparently, I failed to figure that out. Its sad that a state-of-the-art synth like that is strongly supporting racism even till its fifth reincarnation. I have no strong feelings against Steve Jobs' greed. I simply believe in the democratization of the whole idea of art of music and its technology. Well I would have spent some more bucks for a Mac Pro, but instead I ended up spending all of my stash in for buying yet another PC. Sometimes I do follow my heart. And this time I made sure not to.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #843915 - 03/07/10 01:50 AM
Guys check this video:- Alchemy

Note: Check the point where the description for time stretching pops in. I loved this almost analog like stretch. It immediately reminded me of 'Green and blue patterns are falling all over me like a deck of card' from -- 'Long long arms' by Simon Posford.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #843916 - 03/07/10 02:01 AM
Granular Synthesis is what that has made that algorithm possible in Camel Audio - Alchemy. Granularization has been giving me an incessant itch since long. If any one has better info on this then please share.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Zukan]
      #843976 - 03/07/10 02:23 PM
Quote Zukan:

Chop an onion, a whole head of garlic, fry till golden then add salt, one puree, one chopped tomatoes and one chili sliced sideways. Add cubed fillet of lamb and simmer for 1 hour.

Slice one potato into thin slices and lay at the bottom of a pot that has been glazed with butter and let it cook a little. Turn over potatoes and cook until golden.

Lay a single layer of stew on top of potatoes and one layer of rice. Repeat until stew and rice are finished.
Add saffron boiled and cooled overnight.

Simmer for one hour.

Serious ethnic meal from back home.

Oh, and sample every stage with one sdc and one overhead ldc (you see how cleverly I brought this back on topic, huh, huh?).






I am doing somewhat similar to rice noodles in tomyum sauce with auricula mushroom and Roland R-09. This might not give me a sizzling sample of frying onion, but it still taste damn nice.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #844349 - 05/07/10 03:13 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Guys check this video:- Alchemy

Note: Check the point where the description for time stretching pops in. I loved this almost analog like stretch. It immediately reminded me of 'Green and blue patterns are falling all over me like a deck of card' from -- 'Long long arms' by Simon Posford.




Camel Audio’s Alchemy is indeed a potent synth with vast possibilities

I’ve been working with it for over a year now, and am still discovering lots of new possibilities!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #844388 - 05/07/10 04:25 PM
Quote Martin Walker:


I’ve been working with it(Alchemy) for over a year now, and am still discovering lots of new possibilities!
Martin




Hi Martin, you are godsend. You can for sure assist me with few ideas on its workflow, maybe few tips or tricks. These days I am a compulsive ab-user of Massive, and would love to cook something out of Alchemy juxtaposed to Massive.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: ZoeB]
      #844405 - 05/07/10 05:29 PM
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For a nice synthetic old analogue drum machine style open hi-hat, try spraying an aerosol can. (I spent far too many years tracking before using a proper sequencer, so spent a lot of my teenage years finding weird household sounds to mangle.)




Sad that I noticed this so late.
Anyways, thanx ZoeB, that was interesting (aerosol can).
Other such tricks from your far too many years of hard recording can be golden for this thread.
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #845230 - 08/07/10 12:27 PM
A gent on another forum used Berna http://www.gleetchplug.com/gleetchplug/berna.html for an album recreating a

"simulation of a late 1950s electroacoustic music studio. Oscillators, filters, modulators, tape recorders, mixers ...
Serial, concrete and tape music ... with instruments inspired by the greatest studios of the early days of electronic music."




Also
http://www.behance.net/DiegoStocco




I think anything that makes a sound is useable. I use the recorder built into my £26 Ricoh R3 camera though it does need a wind jammer !



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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: table for two]
      #845287 - 08/07/10 02:17 PM
Quote table for two:

A gent on another forum used Berna http://www.gleetchplug.com/gleetchplug/berna.html for an album recreating a





Sad that Berna had to be MAC only.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: table for two]
      #845551 - 09/07/10 12:38 PM
Quote table for two:

Also
http://www.behance.net/DiegoStocco




Hi tft!

Diego also features heavily in my thread entitled 'Daily Inspiration for the Sound Designer':

www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=840157

As well as the Behance web site (which is admittedly easier to navigate) you can find his own here:

http://diegostocco.com/

Well worth a visit!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #845703 - 10/07/10 09:33 AM
Sorry M, I didn't see that.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #845802 - 11/07/10 05:41 AM
In this months issue's 'reader's music reviewed' section there was one that is truly remarkable. Although the praises for this album has already been published, so I'll present my observation.



Mira by Jienat is released on blu-ray, hence dont assume it to be cheap, but it isnt overtly expensive though, which it should have been.

I assume someone had already posted this kind of post somewhere in the forum. I read the review and checked the video of the making of 'Mira', which I believe must be referred in this thread because Jienat's acumen in recording audio are truly remarkable. there was everything from ethnic world music sounds to dog barks to Bow saw cutter played with a bow (by the way that's not an innovation, I've known few who did that, here is a video on how to do it yourself). Overall I loved the whole video and the sounds produced with some real innovative skills.

In Hinduism Mira is one of the most ardent lover of Lord Krishna, I did not know what it may imply to in Norwegian language though. Maybe Jienat had some fascination with Omicron Ceti, the giant red star, which appears on the album quite loud. Maybe its mysterious appearance in one of the episode of Star Trek had driven him to find the title (I, for sure, doubted that). But then finally I read (in jienat.com) this note under the song with the same title -- "Mira is a young bitch from Karasjóhka. She was first encountered one day in 2007 when she was a puppy. Her owner, Anders Nils Utsi, was working with his reindeer herd; Mira was hanging out by Route 889. She had not yet fully grasped the concept that dogs should only chase cars, not try to catch them. She survived, quit catching cars, grew up, and now she has her own title track. Imagine that."

And then I understood why that giant red star stirs the curiosity. It truly is Omicron Ceti.

Wow!!!

What a massive album. I never trusted plastic money, but now first thing I'll do is to get one in order to buy this album.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #849636 - 28/07/10 01:08 PM
Apparently, you can get a pleasing kick drum type "thud" by slapping an engorged body part against a fully inflated airbed (i.e. the type you would take to festivals).

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #849905 - 29/07/10 01:37 PM
I dont know why I'm posting this here. I found it weird and at the same time very interesting and very innovative. Couldnt find an appropriate thread for something like this.

Disturbing call of a Blackbird.

I think that subtle reverb in the final track is not the original one, but I'm not sure.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #850182 - 30/07/10 01:58 PM
[ ****** ], I want that dude's cape.



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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #850203 - 30/07/10 03:08 PM
That is indeed disturbing - good find AS!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #853047 - 12/08/10 12:41 AM
'audio.tutsplus' is a very neat site. Yesterday I found this very interesting tutorial - How to transform vocal samples into percussion effects..

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #853168 - 12/08/10 11:54 AM
Yes, there are some good tutorials on there for the sound designer. Here are a few more I’ve enjoyed:

http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/production/quick-tip-how-to-recreate-t ails-of-drum-samples/

http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/production/how-to-use-glitch-technique s/

http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/production/quick-tip-getting-realism-i n-orchestral-music/

http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/production/quick-tip-how-to-create-orc hestra-hits/


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #855531 - 22/08/10 09:17 AM
I dont know why some guys are so serious on the mixing board.

One can learn from this guy- Music is fun.

Dont forget to check the top highest rated comment. Its better than the video itself.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #855900 - 23/08/10 03:27 PM
I'z gotta get me some of what he's on

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Zukan]
      #856124 - 24/08/10 11:18 AM
You won't be able to afford it I'm afraid Eddie


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #856971 - 27/08/10 10:39 AM
Today I'm very excited as there is some construction work going on close to my home. They are demolishing some water purification unit and later they'll rebuild it with some new addons. Interesting part is that they are doing this whole day long and continuing the work at night. More interesting thing is that I am sitting there on the porch and recording all the weird sounds that these ugly monstrous machines are capable of producing. Imagine a continuously changing - thud thud crackle krrrakkkkk sampling at 24 bit / 96 khz while the solid reservoir base of pure concrete is dug out. Further more interesting thing is that in the quite calm of night when everyone (including my wife) in locale is cursing these idiot workers for ruining their midnight sleep, I alone sit their with my laptop and encourage them to produce a complete mayhem. Surprisingly no one complains this to the authorities, which I'm greatful to. Last night alone I managed to capture a couple of gb of pure unrealistic sound effects that are as rare as this eccentric demolition. I guess these eccentric ways can only occur in my country. Soon I'll use these sounds somewhere and upload them.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #857042 - 27/08/10 03:37 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Soon I'll use these sounds somewhere and upload them.




Looking foeward to hearing them AS!


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      #861559 - 15/09/10 08:33 PM
Man! when can I make one of these for myself? O rather "how can I?". Does anyone know any DIY way?

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      #861595 - 15/09/10 11:10 PM
Someone once said to me that a really wet fart can be the freakiest and gross-iest and insanely unforgettable sound that one may ever encounter. That friend of mine will definitely not buy this instrument (even to make some heartfelt ballads for his ex). Ladies and gents behold your breath till you can, as we have, in our presence, the 'Savart's Wheel'

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      #861598 - 15/09/10 11:45 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Someone once said to me that a really wet fart can be the freakiest and gross-iest and insanely unforgettable sound that one may ever encounter. That friend of mine will definitely not buy this instrument (even to make some heartfelt ballads for his ex). Ladies and gents behold your breath till you can, as we have, in our presence, the 'Savart's Wheel'




Man! believe it or not but I want to have Savart's Wheel. For further details click the asterisk * and check all the other videos as well, mainly 'The Branching Corrugaphone' and 'Savart's Wheel' and 'Musical Siren' grabs my attention.

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      #861601 - 16/09/10 12:11 AM
Go down and check the video and if you already happen to know how to make one of those then come back here and tell me with all the details how to make one of those, and I'll name my first after you. Click Me

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #861733 - 16/09/10 02:58 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Someone once said to me that a really wet fart can be the freakiest and gross-iest and insanely unforgettable sound that one may ever encounter. That friend of mine will definitely not buy this instrument (even to make some heartfelt ballads for his ex). Ladies and gents behold your breath till you can, as we have, in our presence, the 'Savart's Wheel'




Old news AS - I posted a link in this forum to Windworld on 15th June in my 'Daily Inspiration for the Sound Designer' thread

Excellent site though


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      #861735 - 16/09/10 03:06 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Man! when can I make one of these for myself? O rather "how can I?". Does anyone know any DIY way?

Please Help SOS.






Ah, I posted that answer two days afterwards, on 18th June in the same thread.

Here's a direct link to Dennis Havlena's web site, where he describes how to build a Hank Drum made from an empty propane tank:

www.oddmusic.com/gallery/hank-drum.html

Next!


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      #861745 - 16/09/10 04:04 PM
Sorry Martin, didnt know that, was too quickly driven by its awesomeness so didnt get the chance to see that.

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      #868438 - 15/10/10 11:25 AM
I think Mr. Simo keeps his clothes and toiletries in his speakers when he travel.

Eccentric.

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      #868470 - 15/10/10 12:19 PM
Wild Wild West: The Steam Age





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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #872197 - 02/11/10 04:56 AM
I find that sometimes its the controller that leads to the best innovations! This is a silly little video I made, but in actuality, a very useful and cheap method for CV control!

YouTube - Moog Racing (Alternate CV Controller)

I like to tape the stereo 1/8" down next to my mod wheel and tap it rhythmically for some nice filter madness.

Another great trick that I've been using alot lately is a slight bit of Autotune on my KORG Monotron! Works wonders and you can get some fantastic sounding riffs out of it! Here's another video I made for that:

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #883920 - 26/12/10 05:17 AM
An SM58 inside a drum case or even large cardboard box can produces an interesting accent for the kick-drum range.

Cheesy old digital toys are a wonderland, especially with a sampler. I took four bars from a fast Casio "drum" loop & dropped both speed & tone by 50%, making an impressive bigbeat sound. Then I took the original sample, reversed it, & pasted it on top of the slowed-down beat, producing a surprisingly weird rhythm, with what sounds like a heavily distorted bass robot voice saying "whut...?" at the first beat of every bar.

I once wanted to add more "crack!" to a snare, so I made a pile of aluminum-foil squares & whacked it with a drumstick.

Depeche Mode raked a drumstick along a steam radiator as an accent. Tool used a dropped block of wood & a shotgun as percussion.

Tim Kaiser plays just about anything that's didn't start life as a musical instrument:
http://timkaiser.org/allabout

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      #884043 - 27/12/10 02:40 PM
Quote Tony Raven:

The world's full of sound.




Indeed it is Tony, and thanks for highlighting yet more of the possibilities. I still remember a wonderfully grungy bass riff I got recording it into the mic input of an ancient valve tape recorder. Far more memorable than anything I’ve yet got from a distortion plug-in

I’m currently whacking metal lamp posts and road signs in search of new percussive sounds (with my lovely new Zoom H4n portable recorder I can capture anything, any time, anywhere )

Tim Kaiser is an excellent source of inspiration - this page on his web site has some wonderful photos of his weird and wonderful ‘instruments’:

http://timkaiser.org/instruments


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #884817 - 02/01/11 01:05 PM
Quote Martin Walker:



I’m currently whacking metal lamp posts and road signs in search of new percussive sounds (with my lovely new Zoom H4n portable recorder I can capture anything, any time, anywhere )



Martin




Looking forward to add another 'Walker's anthology set' in the shelf. Remind me if I miss out the release.

And 'TONY', that crazy timkaiser.org truly rocks.
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #884873 - 02/01/11 07:11 PM
Quote AuralSerenity:

Looking forward to add another 'Walker's anthology set' in the shelf. Remind me if I miss out the release.




Thanks for the compliment AS - glad you're still enjoying my music

My next major release will be a sound library - watch this space


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #893992 - 11/02/11 10:17 AM
10cc I'm not in love....

Always worth watching so people can appreciate what 'real' production is.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Zukan]
      #894086 - 11/02/11 03:12 PM
Now THAT’s what I call an innovative recording method

And real dedication too - folk today would want results in a few minutes, not three weeks of recording vocal tape loops


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Zukan]
      #896479 - 23/02/11 05:51 AM
Whoa!!!

That's so cool that I downloaded it from YouTube.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #896511 - 23/02/11 09:54 AM
Nearly missed this!

I always thought that track was extra special and way above the surrounding dross. Now I know why

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #954337 - 19/11/11 11:03 PM
Isaac Zal's Harmonic Generator ;

http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/om16400.html



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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1011401 - 03/10/12 11:58 AM
Time to kickstart this thread into further action methinks

Here's a device that I saw demonstrated recently during a concert that has given me DIY ideas – the Palme loudspeaker used with the amazing Ondes Martenot instrument.

This comes with three loudspeaker units: one traditional, one with the speaker cone replaced by a gong with transducers driving it for metallic colorations, and (my favourite) a loudspeaker with a front soundboard on which were mounted twelve tuned strings that add fascinating sympathetic harmonic resonances to the end result:









Could this be a new Zenguitar project?


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #1011403 - 03/10/12 12:04 PM
I've been lucky enough to witness a performance on an Ondes Martenot. A bonkers instrument that has no right to sound as etherially wonderful as it does.

File under 'if Wilf Lunn had collaborated with Bob Moog'.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #1011413 - 03/10/12 12:28 PM
Where would Gerry Anderson films be without it?

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1011504 - 03/10/12 05:25 PM
I come home from an afternoon of french polishing and what do I find? A great suggestion for another project to add to my list of things to do!!!

Next on the list is making my Arduino based combination pick-up meter. Gauss, Inductance, and Capacitance. Have most of the electronics parts, need to design and make a case, breadboard it, and hack together the code.

I really ought to get the Vox Phantom XII finished (needs some templates made to finish the scratchplate, the bridge fitted and body drilled, wiring and set-up). The Flying V 12 string needs the neck inlay, fretting, headstock slotting, final body shaping, binding, assembly, finishing and wiring.

Some other Arduino projects including some MIDI controllers and the like.

I've been thinking about a Flying V tri-cone resonator for a while and just got back to doing some more research for that.

Also been looking at building some FX pedals and maybe the odd amp or two. Maybe start with a kit, but I'm reading the valve wizard site to learn some theory too.

Automata and rolling ball machines are on the list too.

Projects are easy to find, it's the parts, tools, workshop and cash that are the problem

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: zenguitar]
      #1011582 - 04/10/12 08:39 AM
Quote zenguitar:

Automata and rolling ball machines are on the list too.




We'll have to get together Andy - I've been meaning to get started on these two projects for some time as well


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #1011610 - 04/10/12 10:32 AM
I spent a happy couple of hours down at the Dingles Fairground Museum a few weeks ago. There were so many sounds that not only took me back to the age of 9, but would make incredible musical effects. I vowed to return some time, Zoom H4N in hand...

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: The Elf]
      #1011902 - 05/10/12 12:38 PM
Yes, the mechanical music museums are a creative paradise for musicians and sound designers. We've got one in Cornwall that I've yet to visit:

www.paulcorinmusic.co.uk

And there are others arund the country, such as Cottons:

www.mechanicalmusicmuseum.co.uk

Great fun!

EDIT - Doh!! Didn't realise Dingles was in Cornwall as well
EDIT2 - And it's only 27 miles from me
EDIT3 - Ah, now I understand - It's also called Steam Village, so I now remember the roadsigns


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1012636 - 09/10/12 06:27 PM
I once filled a plastic bin with water, plugged a guitar into a battery-powered practice amp, put that in a bin bag and dropped it into the bin. Then I covered a 58 with a bin bag and dropped it in the bin too.

Underwater guitar and underwater mic.

Sounded crap.



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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Phil Reynolds]
      #1012791 - 10/10/12 02:20 PM
But the sound of my laughing after reading your post was priceless

Thanks for that story Phil


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1012795 - 10/10/12 02:25 PM
OK, now that I see to have at least one person browsing this fascinating thread once again, here's an absolute classic example of Innovative sounds & recording methods.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a record player that plays cross-sections of trees, analysing their year rings and reproducing/interpreting the information as gorgeous piano music:



View and drool at the possibilities


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1012803 - 10/10/12 02:41 PM
Amazing!!!!!

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1012806 - 10/10/12 02:50 PM
my flabber has never been so completely ghasted.

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Folderol]
      #1014157 - 17/10/12 02:00 PM
Quote Folderol:

my flabber has never been so completely ghasted.




OK - let's see if I can surprise you once again with another Innovative sound & recording method, courtesy of the inimitable leafcutter john.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the LASER MICROPHONE




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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #1014165 - 17/10/12 02:33 PM
That's fascinating. And it's got me thinking...

Thanks, Martin!

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1014185 - 17/10/12 05:02 PM
Indeed, very interesting. Some possibilities there with variants

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1014207 - 17/10/12 08:14 PM
My pleasure - I'm also happy to stimulate the creative juices if at all possible


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1015808 - 27/10/12 01:09 PM
Ok, here's another innovative recording method from SOS Forum frequenter Alchemy Studio (aka Matteo Bosi), using a violin bow and clothes rack (apparently inspired by Spectrasonics )



Nice!!


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      #1015926 - 28/10/12 12:58 PM
Thanks Martin for highlighting this!
however, I must say that the original idea is not mine, but of the sound designer guru Diego Stocco - www.diegostocco.com
you MUST know him if you are into sound design!

you may also be interested in my modified cello-guitar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_3r9MWSIq4

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Alchemy Studio]
      #1016096 - 29/10/12 04:36 PM
Yes, you openly admitted the original ideas wasn't yours, but your video was still interesting.

And yes, I do know Diego - in fact I posted a link to his latest video on the 'Daily Inspiration for the Sound Designer' partner thread to this one the same day as yours

www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=KeySynth&Number=840157& page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1036523 - 05/03/13 03:42 PM
OK, time to kick-start this thread again, with a fascinating insight into the world of a German artist turned sound designer

Welcome to the world of Carsten Nicolai aka Alva Noto:





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      #1073075 - 03/11/13 10:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5USE0hyfuU&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Leon Michener]
      #1073465 - 06/11/13 11:12 PM
Hi Leon,

Fascinating stuff - thanks for posting, and for kick-starting this thread again!

I attempted to edit your post so it displayed the link, but for some strange reason it wouldn't have it


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1073527 - 07/11/13 12:32 PM
Wow - I've just been exploring some more of Leon's YouTube offerings and found this great example of amplified prepared piano:



Fascinating and strangely mesmerising.

Lovely work Leon!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1088015 - 11/02/14 02:27 AM
OK. time to kickstart this most fascinating thread once again.

Here's the first prototype of Theometrica, by Oscar Palou & Alexander Müller-Rakow, and utilising 99 Prepared Needles, Distance RangeFinder, and sound generation software.




Enjoy!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #1088016 - 11/02/14 02:57 AM
Thanks Martin.

I'll rustle one of those up tomorrow!

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      #1088353 - 12/02/14 02:03 PM
My pleasure - probably best to make it out of paper if you want it to rustle


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods new [Re: gryfyx]
      #1088371 - 12/02/14 03:27 PM
This thread is awesome.

Back to page 1 for me!

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Re: Theometrica

Technically quite interesting - distance measuring laser I'd guess - but musically not my bottle of beer (cups of tea are so 'yesterday')

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