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The Wire - BBC Radio 4
      #884832 - 02/01/11 02:26 PM
Did anyone else hear this on Sunday 2nd?

Something for all of you sound designers to check out. Unfortunately, it's not available on listen again, but here's the link to the program page.

The Wire

From that page there is a link to the project's web site.

From the trails I was expecting something about Aolian harps, but this is something very different.

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #884846 - 02/01/11 03:32 PM
What a great programme! Please radio four, give me more of this! I too thought of Aeolian harps, but I was also reminded of some people I've seen who use large gongs as a kind of therapy - it is an odd experience. I didn't think much of the voice interaction though - not my kind of thing. Other provoked thoughts included the fact that you really do need time to listen to these sort of things (that are all around us) and how we have filled our daily lives with things that make horrible noises and drown out these little quiet moments of beauty.

Essential listening for all lower case people.

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #884875 - 02/01/11 07:14 PM
Damn - missed that - thanks for the link Andy!

Here’s Chris Watson’s own web site by the way: www.chriswatson.net


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #884884 - 02/01/11 09:32 PM
Aha! Chris Watson, ex Cabs. Thought I recognised the name. Must have a listen.


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #884888 - 02/01/11 10:14 PM
I was laid out on the sofa, a bit flu'd up, when that came on. Perfect, and no nausea either (unlike the poor meditation folk exposed to some of it ...)

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #884912 - 03/01/11 03:52 AM
Quote zenguitar:

Unfortunately, it's not available on listen again



Yes it is

Worth the license fee in itself!

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #884917 - 03/01/11 05:55 AM
Reminds me of Ellen Fullman's Long String Instrument. Will have to give it the full treatment later on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmlC7mUBke8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgfoJFyV6TY&feature=related


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #884921 - 03/01/11 08:44 AM
That was great. It reminded me of being a kid and hearing certain sounds, usually rhythmic which, if only there were some was to capture it and play it back in some kind of controlled way could be used as a basis for music. Wonder if anyone ever tried it?

The beauty of the programme for me was the mixing of the industrial nature of the "instrument" and the organic nature of the sound and that it was a wildlife recordist's ear that first caught it.

BTW, rope on a flagpole, wind in trees, train (of course), radiator. I must have driven my family nuts.

At least I got it out of my system before the tech came about to do any damage with it.

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: shufflebeat]
      #884943 - 03/01/11 12:11 PM
Quote shufflebeat:

train (of course)




When I get a quiet local train service there's often a short wait outside the station when the train cools down and the metalwork pings and echoes. I mentioned this to a blind acquaintance who's into this kind of thing and he made me a 15-minute recording. I'm still trying to figure out how to use it, but it's certainly interesting.


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #884974 - 03/01/11 03:17 PM
I have a 1yr old in the house who at the minute is bouncing a plastic duck off the radiator and laughing her head off. Her older brother (2) loves to shout in tunnels and echoey walkways.

Sweeping generalisation alert:

Is this the root of our love/need for music? An animal need to explore our surroundings and monitor/interpret the acoustic cues extended to the point of exploration for it's own sake?

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: hollowsun]
      #884993 - 03/01/11 06:25 PM
Quote hollowsun:

Quote zenguitar:

Unfortunately, it's not available on listen again



Yes it is

Worth the license fee in itself!




That's iPlayer, not Listen again.. And besides, when I linked to the program page it wasn't available :P

Consider yourselves lucky

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #885049 - 04/01/11 02:31 AM
Thank you Zen for pointing this out, it really is sublime.

That metallic whipping sound reminded me of rails as a train approaches too. I spent a lot of time next to country railway crossings as a child, waiting for a train to come along just so I could hear that wondrous noise.

It is also very reminiscent of the effects the Radiophonic Workshop used for atmospheric soundtracks and the laser shots that Ben Burtt created for the Star Wars movies by hitting strung wire with a wrench.

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #885051 - 04/01/11 03:02 AM
Quote zenguitar:

That's iPlayer, not Listen again..



Pedant!

Quote zenguitar:

And besides, when I linked to the program page it wasn't available



It is here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00x338l/The_Wire/

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #885095 - 04/01/11 01:43 PM
It's not my fault that it was made available after I first linked to it



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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #885900 - 08/01/11 03:25 AM
Fantastic stuff; thanks for the links. It was great that they got Chris Watson and Alan Lamb (a true pioneer) to do this. Shame about the dodgy 'healing' stuff near the end.


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: A4 Footprint]
      #885961 - 08/01/11 04:13 PM
Another interesting radio piece this week is 'music made 'with ice from a frozen lake'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9347000/9347755.stm

I wish they would make a full length programme about this, too.


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: baward]
      #886033 - 09/01/11 03:09 AM
Check out his website.

Terje


It does raise the question of how you stop your lips from sticking to the Ice Trumpet.

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: FreQnic]
      #886126 - 09/01/11 05:23 PM
Perhaps he could kiss a girl and get plenty of cherry chapstick like Katy Perry


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: baward]
      #886132 - 09/01/11 05:32 PM
Quote baward:

Another interesting radio piece this week is 'music made 'with ice from a frozen lake'




If you're interested in the sound design possibilities of ice, you must have a listen to this one from Andreas Bick:

http://silentlistening.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/dispersion-of-sound-waves- in-ice-sheets/

Light sabre anyone?


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: baward]
      #893485 - 09/02/11 11:52 AM
Quote baward:

Another interesting radio piece this week is 'music made 'with ice from a frozen lake'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9347000/9347755.stm

I wish they would make a full length programme about this, too.




Well, that's pretty much what the BBC have now done: 'Ice Music of Norway' http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00y8v0w

Presumably someone has sampled it (perhaps one of the sound engineers interviewed) for posterity or inclusion in a sample library, as it seems to be the ultimate analogue instrument, with no permanent means of saving the 'patch' (let alone the instrument itself!)


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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: zenguitar]
      #893538 - 09/02/11 02:22 PM
Well, this wasn't The Wire I was expecting

Sounds like an intriguing program. Whoever would have thought of capturing sounds through fencing wire :S Well, clearly this guy, but you see my point...

Maybe they'll make another one called The Sopranos... not another series of the hit TV show but instead a documentary all about the life of soprano singers

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Re: The Wire - BBC Radio 4 new [Re: baward]
      #893562 - 09/02/11 03:58 PM
Quote baward:

Quote baward:

Another interesting radio piece this week is 'music made 'with ice from a frozen lake'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9347000/9347755.stm

I wish they would make a full length programme about this, too.




Well, that's pretty much what the BBC have now done: 'Ice Music of Norway' http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00y8v0w

Presumably someone has sampled it (perhaps one of the sound engineers interviewed) for posterity or inclusion in a sample library, as it seems to be the ultimate analogue instrument, with no permanent means of saving the 'patch' (let alone the instrument itself!)




And it was another excellent piece of radio, I really enjoyed it.

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