Hello Chaps,

Haven't been here for a while, nice to see a few familiar faces

Also, sort of a rant I'm afraid Last weekend, after a very long time off, I started mucking about in the studio again and it was a basically a nightmare. I had completely forgotten how Logic worked and then went to program some drums using SD 2.0 and the Hypereditor....nothing worked.

All the creative ideas I had when I went in vanished in a haze of frustration and rage that things just wouldn't work the way I wanted them to.

The Hypereditor just seemed really clunky-it was impossible to put notes/beats where I wanted even after tuning the grid to its finest setting, then two notes would get selected when selecting one and all this after having spent the day relearning Logic......you get the picture.

Of course it's never easy after time off but it was such a frustrating experience that I'm ready to buy anything to make the drum programming process moire palatable and am looking at Protools 10 which apparently will run on my 2408MK3.

Can anyone who has used both comment on the relative merits of specifically the drum editing/programming of each using soft synth drums such as SD?

After all, no point in getting pissed off if it's for fun!

Cheers.

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Of course it's never easy after time off but it was such a frustrating experience that I'm ready to buy anything to make the drum programming process moire palatable

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I'd just learn to use what I already had before thinking that buying something else would be the best solution, but...

Welcome back, btw!

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All the creative ideas I had when I went in vanished in a haze of frustration and rage that things just wouldn't work the way I wanted them to.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of the DAW. I rely more on my Tascam handheld to capture ideas nowadays.

Logic and Pro Tools are surely both hugely powerful and capable systems. I doubt you could say one is better than the other for programming drums; it mainly comes down to personal preference and familiarity.

Does ProTools have an editor like Hyperedit that you could use for drums?

I agree with Desmond, maybe best to stick with Logic and get used to it's little ways.

Having used Logic for a couple of years, I went back to Cubase, mostly for the drum edit page whcih I'd used in the past. This is only my opinion- but I think the Cubase drum edit page is the easiest to set up, and the easiest to use - only my opinion, and for someone else it might be the worst edit page for drums!

I'm not knocking Logic- for what it's worth I think the mixer layour in Logic is so much better than the Cubase mixer.

Any DAW will have it's strengths and weaknesses, and everyone will find their own comfort zone.
In a perfect world, I'd like to compose in Cubase and mix in logic.

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Cubase, guitars.

Welcome back Driller.

Of course the whole idea is that the process of programming becomes transparent so that your creativity can flow. IME this generally means that you have to commit to one program/paradigm or another which is what the guys are saying above really.

However... due to the nature of my work I have to run Logic, ProTools and Cubase here. For me the Cubase Drum Editor is by far the easiest and most flexible drum programming system, so much so that you will find it mimiced inside drum software like BFD for example. That's certainly where I go when I face that particular chore, in fact clients and students also seem to grasp it more quickly.

With respect to the advice above - I can certainly see the sense in not spending money..... however for myself I have reached a place in life where I will sometimes spend cash to get me more quickly to where I want to be - a kind of life's too short attitude I guess. There will certainly be some software that will suit you better than another, if you find it, and it works to get you doing what you want in the way that you want to, then personally I'd consider it an investment. Maybe your time and creativity is the most important thing to you.

Good luck with your decision, I hope you eventually enjoy your return to recording

Loopy

Cheers guys

Just to be clear, this is not a Protools VS .....thread. God knows there have been enough of them!

The question was probably badly phrased and the learning part was an aside as the problems with the Hypereditor are not related to knowledge of Logic (I think!)

What I should have asked is are there any Protools 9 or 10 users here who program drums with the software? Better yet is there anyone who uses both and can comment?

It could be interesting running one next to the other if it was possible.

Edited by Driller (23/05/12 06:51 AM)

I've not used protools for drum editing, so I can't comment on that.

However, maybe it's just because I've grown up doing it that way, but I always use the piano roll to program drums. I like the hyperedit in cubase, but I still program far quicker on the piano roll.

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www.manninmusic.com Music Teacher, Isle of Man

Me too, Dave/Exavior Music. Though I've taken to using my synth's hardware sequencer sometimes, sticks and pads for toms and playing in the cymbals, hats and sometimes the snare using - believe it or not - cymbals, hats and sometimes the snare. If it's not quite right, edit the audio file!

Edited by Red Heylin (05/06/12 06:27 PM)