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Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing!
      01/02/13 02:29 PM
Quote Skerrick:

WHAT are you talking about hollowsun?



I am (was) reflecting on the general state of technology based music, not having a pop at you and as Desmond says, you took it too personally - FAR too personally and I was NOT referring to your music (which I did listen to, incidentally) but that shown in the video(s).

As I said, the technology is impressive but the results not necessarily so and my (granted, somewhat acerbic but actually tongue in cheek) comments were aimed at the state of modern music in general which is (generally) loop based ... not 'songs' as such but 'constructions'.

So you're 23. I've been working in the business almost twice as long as you've been alive and have evolved with electronic music technology from its most primitive to where we are today and FWIW, I have actually been involved in the design of iOS apps and am planning my own iPad apps. And I have designed or contributed to more 'products for the masses' than you know. I feel I am qualified to comment.

Elitist? Maybe but I believe that being 'a musician' is something more than pressing a few buttons on a mobile phone and bangin' out some 'beatz'. If that makes me old-fashioned, so be it. And if I was 'elitist' as you claim, I would not be charging the prices I do for my software instruments because I want as many people as possible to be able to afford them and have access to them.

I could be really elitists on behalf of my daughter who spends many hours a day just practicing, practicing and practicing and then practicing some more on piano and violin. You've seen her play piano - that's her second instrument ... she's even better on the violin which is what enabled her to tour, aged 15, Wales and Italy and play at The Proms with various orchestras (including the BBC Welsh) last summer. With that in mind, I can't get too excited about someone poking a few buttons on an iDevice. But that's a very personal perspective.

My reference to 16 year olds and pissy lager was based purely on my observations of my old home city centre of a typical Friday and Saturday night where young people fall out of clubs vomiting, pissing in doorways and passing out after a night of banging' beatz and watered down lager. I am glad you appear not to be one of those and have more discerning taste in your drinking matter.

My reference to the X-Factor was also not aimed at you but at the growing number of people who think they deserve a career in the music business with the minimum of effort or commitment. It's an entertaining TV show but has little to do with actual 'music' ... much like many of these iOS apps.

Look, you're young and obviously excited by all this but for some of us veterans, we've seen it all before one way or another so you'll have to excuse our cynicism - any comments I/we might make are not a personal slight. We've grown up with 8-step sequencers (the original 'looper'), synths with no memories (so you HAD to make your own sounds up and not rely on presets), hardware samplers for which a 4Mb memory expansion cost more than a Mac today, computers with 250kb of RAM, primitive MIDI sequencers (hard and soft), a time when a primitive 4-track tape recorder cost as much as a car and so on. If you had a compressor in your studio, you were cutting edge. Digital reverb? Ha! - the most we could manage was a Great British Spring. And this was expensive gear, very expensive gear, and you had to be VERY committed to engage in a career/hobby in music. Not just that but limitations of the technology meant lots of workarounds AND you had to be able to actually play. And some bloody great music was made.

Recent advances in technology are amazing and I (and other old farts here) embrace it where appropriate but sorry, someone arsing around with a four bar loop and waggling a filter cutoff is hardly 'music', just someone messing around and it's not 'amazing', in fact it's a bit dull and Tangerine Dream and others were doing it 40 years ago - yes... 40 years ago! I/we tire of the loop/riff based 'music' - where are the actual 'songs', the actual pieces of well constructed music? Apologies again but as much fun as it may be, banging out some quantised beatz and adding a few riffs with some button presses on an iPhone is not exactly THAT creative, truth be told (and IMO). I am fairly confident others here will agree with me on all of this. But that doesn't make anyone right or wrong.

But you did take my post somewhat too seriously, it has to be said. No offence was meant and I am sorry you interpreted it the way you did.

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* Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Johnny Stecchino 28/01/13 09:40 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Richard Graham   03/02/13 01:00 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Johnny Stecchino   03/02/13 07:55 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! electrotimba   03/02/13 09:10 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Richard Graham   03/02/13 10:51 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Johnny Stecchino   09/02/13 09:57 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! MonkeySpank   01/02/13 08:23 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! DGL.   01/02/13 08:28 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Skerrick   01/02/13 04:34 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! geefunk   31/01/13 09:25 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Skerrick   01/02/13 02:24 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! geefunk   01/02/13 09:54 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! hollowsun   01/02/13 05:55 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Skerrick   01/02/13 06:59 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! hollowsun   01/02/13 02:29 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Skerrick   01/02/13 11:07 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! hollowsun   02/02/13 04:51 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! desmond   01/02/13 08:30 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Skerrick   01/02/13 11:14 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Johnny Stecchino   01/02/13 01:40 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Tui   29/01/13 08:42 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Richard Graham   30/01/13 08:55 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! ManFromGlass   29/01/13 11:02 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Skerrick   29/01/13 03:21 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! Skerrick   29/01/13 03:18 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! The Elf   01/02/13 10:34 AM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! desmond   28/01/13 10:36 PM
. * Re: Korg iMS 20 - look what this guy is doing! blue manga   01/02/13 10:37 AM

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