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Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E
      27/06/05 02:06 PM
Peter --

Just a quick note about Firewire and USB. (it'll take longer to digest the rest of your post).

Firewire uses an 8KHz framerate "heartbeat" -- which means with really clever hardware you could probably get under 500 microseconds latency (I haven't seen it done, but it's theoretically possible). There's a major tradeoff between audio buffer size and bus utilization, of course.

USB uses a 1KHz framerate -- 1 msec per frame. Plus, transfers have to percolate through the driver stack; they're not handled in HW as with Firewire. Big difference, as far as low latency performance is concerned.

Of course, Firewire bus speeds are steadily increasing (3.2Gbps in the labs currently, I think). I'm not aware of any work to speed up USB 2.0 (especially since the development of USB 2.0 was largely motivated by Apple's appalling decision to charge per-port royalties after the industry committed to Firewire for high-speed peripherals -- a decision that Apple later backed away from, but which seriously messed things up IMHO).

I also think the basic Firewire isochronous transport protocol is much more sensibly designed than USB, and Firewire media transport protocols far more sensibly designed as a whole -- but that's a different issue.

Which is not to say that PCI and PCIe don't offer more bandwidth, and substantially lower latencies -- of course they do.

People seem generally pleased with latency and other performance characteristics of the RME Fireface, but I haven't tried one myself. Have you found it to be limiting in practice (in terms of track count, realtime latency, other performance characteristics) ?

Regards,

Jim

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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E jcschild   02/08/05 05:08 PM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   02/08/05 03:22 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E spjessop   26/07/05 03:15 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Bimmerboy   29/07/05 02:07 PM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E jcschild   20/07/05 06:04 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Tímo   22/07/05 01:00 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Tímo   30/07/05 02:44 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   02/08/05 12:55 AM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E pacoclandestino   22/07/05 12:00 AM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Jim Wright   27/06/05 02:06 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   27/06/05 02:27 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Rick Taylor   27/06/05 07:23 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Tímo   20/07/05 04:36 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   20/07/05 05:19 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E *INACTIVE USER*   26/06/05 12:10 PM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Bryan Blessed   25/06/05 12:41 AM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Bryan Blessed   24/06/05 12:36 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Rick Taylor   24/06/05 02:29 PM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Rick Taylor   25/06/05 07:01 AM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Rick Taylor   26/06/05 09:52 AM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   24/06/05 01:59 PM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   21/06/05 10:28 AM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Jim Wright   20/06/05 07:19 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Martin WalkerModerator   21/06/05 11:56 AM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Jim Wright   22/06/05 11:59 PM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Jim Wright   25/06/05 06:29 PM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Rick Taylor   19/06/05 11:23 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   20/06/05 10:29 AM
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. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   19/06/05 08:35 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E cc.   20/06/05 04:37 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E jonboyblue   19/06/05 12:18 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   19/06/05 12:55 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Tímo   19/06/05 12:32 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   19/06/05 01:06 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E jonboyblue   19/06/05 09:53 AM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   19/06/05 11:00 AM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E spjessop   16/06/05 11:01 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Jez (mahoobley)   16/06/05 09:15 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Tímo   16/06/05 05:37 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E spjessop   16/06/05 02:53 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   19/06/05 11:12 AM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E DragonLogos   16/06/05 07:41 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Peter C   16/06/05 05:30 PM
. * Re: Warning - NForce 4/ PCI-E Chris L   16/06/05 01:34 PM
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