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Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD
      06/06/11 02:26 PM
Quote TheChorltonWheelie:

Quote narcoman:

I've not heard ONE guitar sim which sounds great. Good, sure. Usable even. But great? None of them - not even close.




There are some tracks on AC/DC's Black Ice album that use a modelling plug-in, I'd disagree wholeheartedly that it's impossible to get a "great sound" from a plug-in.




You can get a "useable " or even quite good sound. A great sound - no. There are no "great guitar sounds" on that particular record. Sounds okay - but not great and certainly not in the league of the sonic offerings of "High Voltage" or even a record I hate, "Back in black". BUT that doesn't change anything - ( I have my doubts about the amp sim claim, by the way.) - because there is an element of subjectivity in this debate.

There is also a big difference between great tones and showing it was used on a multi-million selling record. The too are entirely different things. I've made and mixed a fair few recordings in the millions league but I couldn't use that as evidence that my way would be better!!! It's a subjective debate, but you won't use an amp sim with me.

I've got £20k+ of amps sat here - from vintage to modern - and no sim comes anywhere near. That little thing of moving mic's inches at a time to change the tonality...all matters. I've heard moderately acceptable JCM800 or Soldano sounds from sims - but never a VoxAC or Fender twin or Matamp or early Orange or Farfisa or Constellation.... Rooms change amps a LOT.

When I'm recording a guitar it needs to have unique personality and you are as likely to get that from an amp sim as you are a skilled operator of VSL (clue - you can't).

As I say, useable and good. But never great.

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. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD TheChorltonWheelie   10/06/11 07:53 AM
. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD narcoman   10/06/11 09:03 AM
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. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD narcoman   08/06/11 05:54 PM
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. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD matt keen   08/06/11 08:21 AM
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. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD TheChorltonWheelie   06/06/11 10:23 AM
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. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD TheChorltonWheelie   06/06/11 10:20 AM
. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD narcoman   06/06/11 02:26 PM
. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD TheChorltonWheelie   09/06/11 07:06 AM
. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD narcoman   10/06/11 09:04 AM
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. * Re: Bob Clearmountain v Line 6 POD narcoman   10/06/11 11:23 AM
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