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Re: Matthew Herbert article?
      27/10/11 06:28 AM
Quote feline1:

Quote zenfrank:


"I thought art and music was, in part, supposed to endorse the idea of challenge. isn't part of its core purpose to struggle in public with the compromises and frictions of its time? "





Indeed -
so why does Herbert make irrelevant nerd-core noodles for 34 year old white urban hipsters whose idea of a problematic ethical issue is deciding what colour of iPad to buy?

I mean, what I'm saying is that there's an axis between Picasso's Guernica and "Terrorists Are Gay" from Nathan Barley, and on the basis of reading that article, I worry that Herbert may well be perilously close to the wrong end of it....




...I understand we all have our prejudices and I can't argue with that...

regarding the palestinian protesters, maybe this will make it clearer, still in his own words:
" on my album ‘There’s Me and There’s You’ where I asked Palestinians to send in their most favourite and most hated sounds and their most hated sounds were things like tanks crushing houses and people being shot by soldiers. So for me there’s a huge moral, artistic, political and social dilemma about what you do with those sounds, how you treat them, what function of music you create and what possible benefit it can have by being turned in to music."

so if the people who sent the sounds were fine with him using them (indeed they choose what to send) why are WE supposed to be bothered or offended???

about the pig thing: when PETA or other animal rights group protest against cruelty (specially regarding furs) they usually use very strong pictures, portraing violence, cruelty, blood...for a good cause.
how is it worst/different when Herbert does his things with the samples?
...please don't say it's because of the "hipsters" thing..that's ridicoulous!

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* Matthew Herbert article? feline1 26/10/11 01:54 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Richard Graham   02/11/11 01:57 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? grab   03/11/11 12:00 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Korff   02/11/11 02:33 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? adrian_k   02/11/11 11:42 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Korff   03/11/11 12:39 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? wdsteele   30/10/11 07:48 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   27/10/11 01:00 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   27/10/11 12:01 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? turbodave   27/10/11 09:59 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? turbodave   26/10/11 09:22 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Jez (mahoobley)   26/10/11 04:00 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Nathan   26/10/11 04:27 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 03:21 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Mixedup   26/10/11 03:24 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Mixedup   26/10/11 03:25 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 03:31 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Mixedup   26/10/11 03:39 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 03:46 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Mixedup   26/10/11 04:43 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 04:54 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 04:50 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Mixedup   26/10/11 03:18 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 03:23 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Sam Inglis   26/10/11 03:06 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 03:15 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   26/10/11 03:33 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Sam Inglis   26/10/11 03:43 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 03:48 PM
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. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 04:46 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   26/10/11 04:57 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 04:59 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? grab   26/10/11 04:29 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 04:38 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? grab   27/10/11 08:19 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? zenfrank   26/10/11 11:01 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 11:31 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? zenfrank   27/10/11 06:28 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Tui   27/10/11 11:58 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? zenfrank   27/10/11 12:18 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Jennifer Jones   27/10/11 08:36 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Sam Inglis   26/10/11 03:28 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 03:34 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? 4TrackMadman   26/10/11 03:04 PM
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. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Sam Inglis   26/10/11 02:49 PM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   26/10/11 02:59 PM
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. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   27/10/11 09:50 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? Jennifer Jones   27/10/11 10:27 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   27/10/11 10:54 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? zenfrank   27/10/11 11:26 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? feline1   27/10/11 11:30 AM
. * Re: Matthew Herbert article? zenfrank   27/10/11 12:08 PM
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