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Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion
      19/12/11 12:37 PM
Quote ElGreco:

First of all, after Hugh's detailed explanation and alexis' link I realized that I was saying erroneously "upward expansion" while I meant "upward compression"! Sorry for that!




No problem, but still very different things.

'Upward compression' means compression, followed by a gain stage (ie. make-up gain). The compressor pulls the loud stuff down but leaves the quiet bits alone. The gain stage pushes the overall level up so that the quiet bits are made louder and the louder bits end up more or less where they were... so the low levels are raised.

However, the dynamics of the loud bits are still being mangled by the attack and release time constants of the compressor -- and that doesn't happen in the parallel compression technique because the loud bits aren't being processed at all (the very heavily compressed path signal is being completely drowned out by the clean direct path signal).

Consequently, upwards compression and parallel compression, while having a similar effect on the low level content (clean gain only), sound completely different on the high level content (compressed versus uncompressed) -- and that's why the two techniques and are used for different things.

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Does this apply only when the mix of compressed and uncompressed signal is at 50-50%?




Technically, yes, but that is the optimum ratio. More direct signal weakens the low level lift effect, and more compressed signal sounds horridly over-compressed!

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I apply some make-up gain in order to make the compressed signal to be as loud as the uncompressed one, wouldn't that make the transients louder?




Yes, of course -- but that's just the effect of adding gain to the processed signal. The action of the compressor is what is important when comparing compression techniques. An upwards expander can be arranged to make transients louder without affecting lower level signals and that would sound very different to a compressor followed by some make-up gain.

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Is there any other way to achieve louder transients using a compressor?




Not in any practical sense, no.

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* Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion ElGreco 17/12/11 01:24 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion 10ndaYii   07/06/12 05:14 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   07/06/12 05:54 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion 10ndaYii   16/06/12 04:07 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   16/06/12 05:45 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion 10ndaYii   07/06/12 06:26 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   07/06/12 07:55 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion alexis   07/06/12 10:34 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion 10ndaYii   08/06/12 04:22 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Wiseau   06/06/12 07:17 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion chavernac   23/12/11 12:34 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion ElGreco   19/12/11 12:21 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   19/12/11 12:37 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion 10ndaYii   06/06/12 05:06 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   06/06/12 05:20 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion 10ndaYii   06/06/12 06:07 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   07/06/12 11:05 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion 10ndaYii   07/06/12 01:03 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   07/06/12 01:30 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion 10ndaYii   07/06/12 02:03 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   07/06/12 03:53 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion JohnLardinois   19/12/11 06:17 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion ElGreco   19/12/11 12:06 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   19/12/11 11:29 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion The Elf   19/12/11 04:11 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   19/12/11 04:43 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion alexis   20/12/11 01:34 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Hugh RobjohnsAdministrator   21/12/11 12:14 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion alexis   21/12/11 02:02 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion alexis   19/12/11 03:56 AM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Martin WalkerModerator   17/12/11 01:47 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion The_Big_Piano_Player   17/12/11 03:15 PM
. * Re: Normal vs New York Compression vs Upward Expansion Robin Lemaire   17/12/11 10:57 AM

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