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Postby Georgie » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:38 pm

I'm recording M/S vocal using Rode NTk and SeX1R in conjunction with AN ART MPA2 which has a M/S matrix. My initial impression of recent recordings were very good however as I listen back, I now feel the recording hasn't captured a "full body vocal" as I had expected and P's and T's are more prevalent than I would like even though useing a pop sheild. I have since used Cubase 4's channel EQ in an attempt to enhance the recording but still don't think I'm recording well. Can anyone offer any suggestionf
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Re: M/S recording

Postby The Elf » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:02 pm

I don't see much point in recording vocal M/S unless you're really wanting to capture the room too.

It could be that you're not liking the off-axis response of the side mic.

My advice is to throw away the side signal and concentrate on making the mid your ideal vocal sound.
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Re: M/S recording

Postby Georgie » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:24 pm

Thanks Elf, the thing is I want to experiment with the M/S technique to find alternatives to the way I have recorded in the past. In my previous vocal recordings using a single and occasionally a secondary mic, I have found the vocals to be clear but not focused to center. Using M/S, I have read that the vocal should be heard dead center of the stereo image.
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Re: M/S recording

Postby The Elf » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:08 pm

The point of M/S is to capture stereo width from the source signal - and that's not really going to happen from an essentially mono source such as a vocal.

You'd do better to experiment in M/S recording something that has plenty of natural width, such as a string quartet, vocal group, drum kit, or even an acoustic guitar.
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Re: M/S recording

Postby Bob Bickerton » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:21 pm

Yes, there's really no point in recording vocals in stereo and its distracting you from focussing on the best result from just one mic.

I'm not familiar with the r1, but assuming it has a standard ribbon response, this should give you the body (and plosives) you need (don't need)! The NTK wouldn't be my favourite mic. So maybe you need a mic better suited to your voice?

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Re: M/S recording

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:11 am

Georgie wrote:I'm recording M/S vocal using Rode NTk and SeX1R in conjunction with AN ART MPA2 which has a M/S matrix.


Why? The MS technique captures a stereo image, in this case the vocal in the centre and whatever your room sounds like at the edges. If your vocal performance is in a nice acoustic space that may be desirable, but I suspect that's not really what you want at all.

I now feel the recording hasn't captured a "full body vocal" as I had expected and P's and T's are more prevalent than I would like even though useing a pop sheild.


That could be a combination of the Rode NTK and the way you have placed it. Why not ditch the MS technique here -- save it for something much more appropriate -- and try recording the vocals just with your ribbon mic. That should address the issues you are complaining about -- it will give more bottom end (largely because of its increased proximity effect) and reduce the level of the fricatives.

Also, don't be afraid to move the mic around in front of the performer - moving an inch or two to the side, or move it up to forehead height and tilt down, for example. Two inches in front of the mouth is rarely the best place to capture a natural, balanced vocal sound! Stick your ear there and you'll hear what I mean! ;)

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Re: M/S recording

Postby twotoedsloth » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:55 pm

What type of music are you recording? I usually use M/S when recording classical or operatic voice.
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