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Postby Big ReV SDMG » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:49 am

Being that the world of recording is being placed more towards the forefront of the ideal industry standard, what keeps the analog world of recording relevant in a time of such drastic change?
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Mike Senior » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:06 am

Nee-naa-nee-naa!

Sorry.

The automatic Homework Question Alarm just went off.
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Jack Ruston » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:31 am

Yeah we tend to avoid directly answering homework questions. If you say what you think we can discuss it.

I'd look at what sort of analogue units are still commonly used and sold. Watch some producer interviews on record production dot com, where digital vs analogue is often discussed. And watch Sound City for a look at how some artists still prefer the old way.

You should get a sense of the balance between the two.

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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Richie Royale » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:53 am

Who writes these questions? Do people actually talk that way?
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby The_BPP » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:00 am

Richie Royale wrote:Who writes these questions? Do people actually talk that way?


Yes, what the arse does "being placed more towards the forefront of the ideal industry standard" actually mean?
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby OneWorld » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:41 pm

Big ReV (SDMG) wrote: what keeps the analog world of recording relevant in a time of such drastic change?

Or Air vs Water?

Are your ears digital or analogue devices?

What's the point of study if someone else does your homework?
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Zukan » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:53 pm

ReV, welcome to the forums dude. Where are you currently studying?
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby mpostor » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:13 pm

Zukan wrote:ReV, welcome to the forums dude. Where are you currently studying?

"being placed more towards the forefront of the ideal industry standard"

Given the basic use of buzzwords, I'd say that the OP is at the start of a Business Management course.

He loses points for not using the following:

paradigm
synergy
big data
'the Cloud'
'blue sky thinking'
complimentarity

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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby MarkOne » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:23 pm

When contemplating the paradigm shift that the move from the older schema, analogue, to the more consumer focused digital ecosystem, synergy can be found with the more recent moves in big data, in that the aforementioned digital paradigm can leverage 'the Cloud' for storage, accessibility and convenience when compared to the previous analogue schema. Thus exploiting these low hanging fruit, this level of 'blue sky thinking' is more complimentary to a marketing world view that democratizes access to media in a customer friendly yet more obviously suitable to monetize ecosystem.

Or something.
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Logarhythm » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:44 pm

You both forgot cross-pollination - seems to be a popular phrase with the more corporate clients I'm dealing with these days

I'm sure we can then use this to add to the already outstanding nonesense (sorry, insightful essay...) started by MarkOne:

"Furthermore, we observe that analogue technologies remain relevant as, whilst the inherent cross-pollination between consumer and professional digital technologies have to an extent mutually driven each others' progress, the sonic paradigm beloved by the consumer remains heavily laden with anachronisms. We hypothesize that this is due to an inherent familiar and comfortable feeling given by the harmonic distortion responsible for so much of that "warm" analogue sound. Indeed, even this epithet itself, "warmth", is evocative of the comfort of a childhood blanket or the secure womb-like ensconcement the subconcious yearns for. This strikes at the heart of the enduring fondness for analogue - it is the sonic equivalent of comfort food, nutrionally perhaps compromised but enjoyed no less.
Indeed the synergy that this can give when incorporated into the digital world draws significant parallels with some of the developments we have seen in the culinary arena in recent times; bold new flavours collide with old favourites, creating a new epoch and a new paradigm of nourishment, and we have seen exactly the same in the world of audio. Thus the modern studio, enriched by the complinentarity of old and new technologies, is the audiophile reflection of Heston Blumenthal's seminal Bacon & Egg ice cream..."

(I could continue for many pages but you're probably all bored by now. And for some reason I'm kind of hungry )
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby mpostor » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:48 pm

MarkOne wrote:When contemplating the paradigm shift that the move from the older schema, analogue, to the more consumer focused digital ecosystem, synergy can be found with the more recent moves in big data, in that the aforementioned digital paradigm can leverage 'the Cloud' for storage, accessibility and convenience when compared to the previous analogue schema. Thus exploiting these low hanging fruit, this level of 'blue sky thinking' is more complimentary to a marketing world view that democratizes access to media in a customer friendly yet more obviously suitable to monetize ecosystem.

Or something.



Oooohhhh, so close.

It's complimentarity, not complimentary.

My previous employer had a 'power meeting' at Alexandra Palace about 10 years ago.
Hired room, full PA, lights, stage, etc.
The CEO got up on stage and his first words were 'Complimentarity. We've developed this new paradigm to enhance the respective synergy of.....'
He he went on for a whole hour coming back to the new word time and time again.

All the senior management drones nodded and clapped at the end.
All the junior management drones (only 5 minutes out of university and with no actual experience) cheered.
The worker ants all stared at each other in amazement. No-one had heard the word before (I haven't heard it spoken since) and couldn't believe that they'd actually taken time out of their working day to hear that much drivel spouted in one go. They weren't even being paid to be there....

The whole meeting could have been summarised in the same way that all company AGMs are:

"We've made some money for the shareholders this year, but you aren't going to see any of it. The senior managers have had nice bonuses for the work that you've all done for them. You're going to have to work harder next year so that we can make even more for the shareholders so that the senior managers bonuses can be even bigger...."

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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby hollowsun » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:07 pm

Corporate-speak bullsh!t generator

Use freely at your next meeting!

Way before all this, my chum, Chris Huggett (he of Wasp and Oscar fame, then Akai samplers and now Novation) and I would write down the random word combinations that Akai's US distributor would spurt out at meetings. There were times when a little wee was passed as we tried to suppress our laughter. One that I recall was 'market noise floor'. Errmmm... WTF?
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Kwackman » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:09 pm

hollowsun wrote: Corporate-speak bullsh!t generator
Use freely at your next meeting!

Great site- thanks!
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby ConcertinaChap » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:16 pm

Logarhythm wrote:I could continue for many pages

You should, and then submit it to some learned media studies journal and see how you do. Cf Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity.

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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Mike Senior » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:46 pm

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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby ConcertinaChap » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:24 pm

Paradidge-mms, lovely!

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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby ken long » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:38 pm

Big ReV (SDMG) wrote:what keeps the analog world of recording relevant in a time of such drastic change?

the warmth. digital is cold. sharp. nasteeee....
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby feline1 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:22 pm

The_Big_Piano_Player wrote:
Richie Royale wrote:Who writes these questions? Do people actually talk that way?

Yes, what the arse does "being placed more towards the forefront of the ideal industry standard" actually mean?

it could be termed litotes, a term which I only know due to its use in Monty Python's "ETHEL THE FROG", featuring Spiny Norman the enormous invisible hedgehog and Doug and Dinsdale the Pirahna Brothers.
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby feline1 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:25 pm

Big ReV (SDMG) wrote:Being that the world of recording is being placed more towards the forefront of the ideal industry standard, what keeps the analog world of recording relevant in a time of such drastic change?

Drastic change? TOTAL MASS RETAIN. Close to the edge, down by the u-bend.
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby chris... » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:25 am

MarkOne wrote:the aforementioned digital paradigm can leverage 'the Cloud' for storage, accessibility and convenience
That's old hat now, I'm afraid.

I think you'll find "NOT storing data in the cloud" is now becoming a selling point, thanks to the NSA...
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby desmond » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:09 pm

chris... wrote:I think you'll find "NOT storing data in the cloud" is now becoming a selling point, thanks to the NSA...

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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby chris... » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:24 pm

http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2013-09-06/

and a few more since.

I just hope the Elbonians treat him well.
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Re: Digital vs Analog

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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Elephone » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:57 pm

This whole discussion is quite interesting in the cinema domain. I watched a decent documentary on Film4 about it. I think the audio domain is perhaps about as appreciative of the differences, how it affects working practices, etc. A major thing with digital film is being able to view an acting scene straight away on a screen, rather than wait for a screening after film is printed overnight.

This has also been an issue with audio, and now it's more convenient for reviewing stuff at home, sending files to people, and there's less influence of the player (unlike tapes machines) so listening through headphones at home is not as different to in the studio.

The graininess, grittiness, particular effects of light and colour inherent in real film is parallel to the noise and saturation/compression of magnetic tape. It can (to many people) also seem kind of perverse to add these artefacts afterwards as an effect, and of course software is getting closer to making digital film look like the emulsioned equivalent.

Well, we can transfer our digital audio to tape if need be, I'm not sure if they do the same with film.

I'd be interested to know (out of the audio domain I realise) if those trying to replicate the effects of film in digital are comparing identical images (same lens and position) in celluloid and digital to create alogrithms for effects.
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby molecular » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:21 pm

Elephone wrote:
Well, we can transfer our digital audio to tape if need be, I'm not sure if they do the same with film.

35mm is still a pretty common format to distribute films on, regardless of the source material, I think.
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby Brian M Rose » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:51 pm

"35mm is still a pretty common format to distribute films on, regardless of the source material, I think."

Well, not any more. I have been quite shocked how rapidly 35mm distribution has been replaced by digital. I don't even think we produce 35mm show prints in the UK any more, or if so, only one lab.
I was until last year co-authoring what was to be the update of the definitive book on movie camera technology. It became impossible, due to the rapidity of digital camera development. Yes, some films are still being shot on 35mm, but fewer and fewer.
Now, film is still capable of of higher resolution and colour depth that digital (at least the negative is) with arguable fewer artifacts. But it is in post production that digital scores. Indeed, that was one of our problems; we would have had to have re-written just about everything on special effects (in fact I already had).
Rather like editors, I found more and more Directors of Photography taking to digital, especially now that the quality is so high. The really difficult transition in fact was in television, moving from standard to high definition. Almost overnight, everything suddenly became that much more critical.
I suspect much the same can be said of audio; digital is less 'kind'.
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Re: Digital vs Analog

Postby molecular » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:17 pm

From the little I know, yes, it has been a rapid swing in that direction from the projection point of view.

I suppose I just meant that I used to do some projecting for a local film club not long ago and we would show lots of stuff that had obviously been through digital post production but that we were showing on 35mm. I assume that it has been some considerable time since there was an analogue-only path from camera to cinema... but I'd love to know of any recent examples of that.
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