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EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Andi » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:52 pm

Is it feasable to use an EQ curve on the studio bus (I'm using Cubase 5.5) to simulate the effect of small / limited speakers for mix checking? I know that simple eq for room correction is considered to be a no-go, but just to limit the response of my nearfields to check bottom-end compatability without having to find space for more hard-clutter in front of me??

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby ef37a » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:14 pm

Hi Andi,
There is more to small, grott speakers than frequency response!

For any given sound pressure level the distortion will be higher (above about 80dBSPL MUCH higher!).

They will have colouration, transient "ring", cabinet resonance. The stereo imaging will likely be poorer and being physicaly smaller than the main monitors their radiation pattern will be different.

None of the above can be "modelled" by a simple EQ curve.

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Jack Ruston » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:28 pm

Yeah. Careful with this. It won't quite do what you want. Get yourself a single avantone mix cube or a boombox that you can run a line into.

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Madman_Greg » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:35 pm


you could try this

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby ef37a » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:02 am

"you could try this

PhoneMon"

Corse! I should have known that I would have my legs cut from under me by some geeky fodding code scribbler!!! (gonna give it a do!)

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Matt Houghton » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:52 am

Running a line into a cheap TV is also a useful check for small speakers.
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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:44 pm

Indeed it is - I used to use the tiny speaker in an old monitor I used with my Commodore Amiga, and very helpful it was too!


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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby J G Harding » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:26 pm

Just go into Argos and put yourself in the mindset of the average Torrentmaster Joe looking for some blingin' speakers with a brand name on. And buy the cheapest ones too, and an awful set with a 'sub'.

You can never have too many awful speakers to test your mixes on, it's almost more fun than using your main monitors!

I know you didn't want much more stuff on your desk, but it's definitely worth a little space. It can also give your ears a different perspective, especially when they get a bit 'mix weary'.
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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Zukan » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:44 pm

..............and work within the mandatory £10 budget.
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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Stef Andrews » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:26 pm

I heard the Creative T10s a while ago. pretty sure for use as a second pair of speakers they'd be ok - they're cheap, small and sound the wrong side of crap (but a mate loves his for his laptop!)
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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Andi » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:07 pm

I did consider a set of Tascam VL-M3s but I'm afraid they might defeat the purpose by being good. Alternatively Maplin does a set of desktops for £7.99 - 100W PMPO !!! (OK - 1W RMS ).
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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby ef37a » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:56 am

Two christmases ago we got one grandson a little "Red" audio setup.

About 30quid IIRC and the great thing is it will play MP3 from a stick...badly!

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Andi » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:24 pm

Jack Ruston wrote:Yeah. Careful with this. It won't quite do what you want. Get yourself a single avantone mix cube or a boombox that you can run a line into.

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I've never used a single physical speaker to monitor - given that I havea PC monitor (screen) right where a mono speaker would ideally go - is placement critical here? Could I satisfactorily put a single mixcube on top of one of my nearfields or mup tone under my screen and angle it back to point at my head?

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby BJG145 » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:50 pm

Madman_Greg wrote:
you could try this

PhoneMon

...or Speakerphone...
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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Jack Ruston » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:57 pm

Andi wrote:
Jack Ruston wrote:Yeah. Careful with this. It won't quite do what you want. Get yourself a single avantone mix cube or a boombox that you can run a line into.

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I've never used a single physical speaker to monitor - given that I havea PC monitor (screen) right where a mono speaker would ideally go - is placement critical here? Could I satisfactorily put a single mixcube on top of one of my nearfields or mup tone under my screen and angle it back to point at my head?

Thanks

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Yeah, you can put it pretty much anywhere you like. Even behind you works fine. Personally I have mine in the centre just above the display (placed on some bricks right behind it). Works well.

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Andi » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:08 pm

BJG145 wrote:
Madman_Greg wrote:
you could try this

PhoneMon

...or Speakerphone...

I did think about Speakerphone and seem to remember thinking it was quite espensive - this was when I was thinking in terms of a £20 pair of speakers. I did download Phonemon but got lots of error messages when Itried to run it , so I gave up.


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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Andi » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:25 pm



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... you can put it pretty much anywhere you like. Even behind you works fine. Personally I have mine in the centre just above the display (placed on some bricks right behind it). Works well.

J [/quote]

I might give that a try - get a bit of that "listening from outside the door" thing rather than "got my head in the monitors" thing going.

Thanks Jack

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Jack Ruston » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:44 pm

Yeah, lots of guys use boomboxes and things and they're often behind them or, off on top of a rack to the side. Dont let it worry you too much. As long as it does its job, which is to show you the balances without the luxury of lots of deep bass, posh high end, and stereo imaging.

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Re: EQ curve to simulate smaller speakers?

Postby Andi » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:27 pm

Thanks.

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