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I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Andi » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:57 pm

Quick search on the web and I found this in a guide to vocal mixing- all seems much simpler now.

"..... It is highly important to EQ first using this setting :

Cut 200 Hz (high pass filter)= -6dB
Boost 3000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB
Boost 15000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB

Take note that if you take the summation of cut and boost, it is literally equal to zero, it cut 6dB and I boost 6dB. So only EQ effect overall, the frequency response change, NOT the volume."

Think I might cancel my copy of Mike's book, probably don't need it now ;)
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby desmond » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:02 pm

Damn, this is it. This is what I've been missing.

All my mixes just slot into place now. Gotta make this setting in a "Mo' Betterizer" plugin quick and rake it in before everyone else discovers it..!
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby zenguitar » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:17 am

Hey!! You aren't being fair here Andi....

Teasing us all with a few hints from the web, but keeping the URL to yourself. I bet there are a few more HOT tips and mix essentials you found on that site that would benefit us all..

Come on mate, give us the real deal, not just the tempters ;)

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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Exalted Wombat » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:20 am

zenguitar wrote:Hey!! You aren't being fair here Andi....

Teasing us all with a few hints from the web, but keeping the URL to yourself. I bet there are a few more HOT tips and mix essentials you found on that site that would benefit us all..

Come on mate, give us the real deal, not just the tempters ;)

Andy :beamup:

Google is your friend!
http://www.audiorecording.me/tips-on-how-to-mix-vocals-and-put-some-effects-like-a-professional.html
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Bob Bickerton » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:21 am

That's ridiculous, all the professionals round here know that:

Cut 190Hz by -5.8 dB
Boost 3150Hz by 3.2dB
Boost 25000Hz by 2.8dB

Why can't these people get it right.

Oh this is regardless of the mic, preamp, vocalist, or whether the power is turned on or off.

The SOS lads should really stick to basics IMHO - plug it in, switch it on, trawl the net.................

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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Steve Hill » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:37 am

Doesn't this fool know that you use EQ to make things louder when you can't push the faders up any higher and there's no make-up gain left on the compressor?
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby narcoman » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:46 am

it's not "louder", Steve. It's "betterer". Don't you understand grandmer?
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Mike Senior » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:21 am

Andi wrote:
Cut 200 Hz (high pass filter)= -6dB
Boost 3000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB
Boost 15000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB

Shhh! :shock: Not so loud! Everyone'll find out...
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby shufflebeat » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:42 am

Mike Senior wrote:
Andi wrote:
Cut 200 Hz (high pass filter)= -6dB
Boost 3000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB
Boost 15000Hz Q = 1 = 3dB


Shhh! :shock: Not so loud! Everyone'll find out...


Ha!

So at lasst, Senor Senior, I haf yor seecret and viz zis I shall take over ze VOOORRLLD!
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Andyh 56 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:08 am

Oh I've been doing it wrong. I always thought the secret to good mixing was: Green light, green light, green light, yellow light. Ooh red light! better turndown a bit.
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Andi » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:09 am

Bloody Hell Wombat - I was going to turn that into a bestseller!
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Freuman » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:42 am

I'm just reading the comments on that blog.

My god...

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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby christianmurphy » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:53 am

"Believe it or not, a vocal does not need serious effects like other instruments."

SNAP. See i've always been concerned with getting a really good sound before I even touch an EQ. What a fool! All I need are some serious effects :lol: :lol: :lol:.

I might even make my own plug in range called SERIOUS EFFECTS. Watch out UA, you've been way off the mark!
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby desmond » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:06 am

christianmurphy wrote:I might even make my own plug in range called SERIOUS EFFECTS.

I'd buy that.

Seriously.
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby gazola11 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:40 am

Oh man I just tried it.

That problem track I'd been working on has just been signed and they've given me a £1,000,000 advance.

Then I won the lottery for this Saturday before it was even drawn.

Popped down the shop for a pint of milk and Jessica Alba is working part time there and she wants to go out on a date. Told the wife and she's fine with it.

And then I won a Neve 88 desk but I think I might send it back as I don't really need it now I know this.

Thanks for the tip it really has made everything better...wow :headbang:
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Postby ConcertinaChap » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:54 pm

Steve Hill wrote:Doesn't this fool know that you use EQ to make things louder when you can't push the faders up any higher and there's no make-up gain left on the compressor?

My thanks for that. As a folky I get all these unaccompanied solo singers to record and I could never make my recordings loud enough for them. Now I'll be able to make them put a finger in both ears.

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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Richie Royale » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:27 pm

First Principle: A greatly recorded vocals will make it very easy to professionally produced recorded vocals.



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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Neil C » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:37 pm

I'm really feeling 'To my two Little Rats'

To my two little rats
I understand
That you live with us now
And you can't talk but you have a sense of smell
To my two little rats
You're free to live with me
You're life is like a man?
And you can't talk but you have a sense of smell
To my two little rats, to my little to my two two little etc.
You're free to live, free to live, free to live in my room
Stay away of cats outside
To my two little rats you eat my shirts and fans
And you ask to apologise
But you woken up but you're shy to look at me
Two little, to to my little, to my little rats etc.
You're free to live, free to live, free to live in my room
Come and play in my room at night
I enjoy you watching a light
Rolling in my ? at night
I'm afraid to let you go just because I love you so
Two little, to to my little, to my little rats etc.
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby SafeandSound Mastering » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:40 pm

I always thought the "universal improving eq" frequency was 1kHz, lol.
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Postby The Fold Studios » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:36 pm

Guys you've got it all wrong!! This guy from the confidence-inspiring "expert village" will tell you how to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpkal_Pww-s&feature=related

Just remember 2 things, "don't put more than 4 on the compression" and "you might want to add a little EQ"
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby ROLO46 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:45 pm

This is all total Audio Gold to me.
Frankly, what is your favourite frequency ?
Mine is 6.3Khz.
But I am 65. :angel:
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby nathanscribe » Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:27 am

"you need to cut down the fat bass frequencies at 400 Hz"

Is it me or the wine I've been drinking?
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby christianmurphy » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:02 am

nathanscribe wrote:"you need to cut down the fat bass frequencies at 400 Hz"

Is it me or the wine I've been drinking?

Didn't you hear? (Pun definitely intended) 400hz is the new 40hz!
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby adrian_k » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:17 am

ROLO46 wrote:
Frankly, what is your favourite frequency ?
:angel:

Twice a week.
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby desmond » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:44 am

adrian_k wrote:
ROLO46 wrote:
Frankly, what is your favourite frequency ?
:angel:

Twice a week.

That's the saddest of all frequencies...
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Zukan » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:51 am

It's better than once a year on your birthday Desmond.............oh, we still on about frequencies?
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby zenguitar » Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:08 pm

Zukan wrote:It's better than once a year on your birthday Desmond.............oh, we still on about frequencies?

So now we know why you are so excited about your forthcoming birthday ;)

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Postby Zukan » Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:52 pm

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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby Tomás Mulcahy » Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:03 pm

Welcome back OT :)

Make him a staff writer pronto.
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Re: I really don't get why those SOS blokes have to make it all seem so difficult

Postby ROLO46 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:07 pm

We shouldn't be taking the piss from this gent
He comes from Cebu in the Phillipines.
I've been there in a Cyclone that destroyed the city.
Our concrete Hotel was one of the few remaining buildings.
He means well
P'raps he could do the Newbies Page...... :angel:
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