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Postby timoc » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:24 pm

Any thoughts? Finding it hard to buy a single Avantone here in Belgium-they only come in pairs.
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby SafeandSound Mastering » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:42 am

You have to hand it to Behringer, wherever there is a good idea they will take it an run, mind boggling really.

I think based on the Behringer price and knowing they will be being made for almost nothing I would buy Avantones personally. The Behritones seem over priced give the "pedigree" of B products.

I makes me wonder how different a single 5inch driver in a cubic box can sound by different manufacturers.

There is a SOS article in there somewhere!

Maybe it could be titled: Cue the Cubes.

You need to listen to them to know really.

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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Exalted Wombat » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:13 am

Are these a new breed of cube speaker which are not only small and crappy so as to emulate a beatbox, but also reassuringly expensive? I'm sure they'll sell like hot cakes :-)
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby johnny h » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:38 am

Exalted Wombat wrote:Are these a new breed of cube speaker which are not only small and crappy so as to emulate a beatbox, but also reassuringly expensive? I'm sure they'll sell like hot cakes :-)
Its not about being 'crappy'.

Non ported speakers have better time domain accuracy and can make it easier to judge mix levels, particularly in the mid range.
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Freuman » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:03 pm

I don't understand the UK pricing. In Europe they are priced properly and you can buy a single Behritone C5A for €89, rather than £230 a pair that we'd pay here.

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They look interesting though and I can't see too many flaws in the design (it's just copied from a product that was cheap to manufacture but had the magic label), I shall wait to hear them though, Behringer are usually aweful at making speakers.

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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby FreQnic » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:13 pm

The only way Behringer could balls this up is if they managed to make them sound too good.

Ironic? Definitely. :smirk:
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Postby James Perrett » Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:05 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:Are these a new breed of cube speaker which are not only small and crappy so as to emulate a beatbox, but also reassuringly expensive? I'm sure they'll sell like hot cakes :-)

No - they're all copies of an old concept which predates even NS10's. Find out more at

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun02/a ... nitors.asp

and

http://singledriver.blogspot.com/2007/06/auratone-5c.html

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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Kayvon » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:51 pm

FreQnic wrote:The only way Behringer could balls this up is if they managed to make them sound too good.

Ironic? Definitely. :smirk:

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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby timoc » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:52 pm

Is anyone using these yet?
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Mike Senior » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:52 am

timoc wrote:Is anyone using these yet?


The last I heard, they were scheduled to ship at the end of September. I for one will be getting hold of them as soon as I can to put them up against my Avantone Mix Cube and Canford Diecast. I'll report back when I do... :round1:
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby The Korff » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:08 pm

johnny h wrote:
Its not about being 'crappy'.

Non ported speakers have better time domain accuracy and can make it easier to judge mix levels, particularly in the mid range.


This is true — but the Auratone-style speakers have a further advantage over things like NS10s in that, because there's only one driver (and therefore one sound source), you don't get the phasiness that multi-driver speakers can suffer from at the crossover points. And with two-driver monitors (tweeter & woofer, like most affordable speakers), that crossover point tends to be right in the middle of the frequency range, which is the critical area when you're mixing. (Plus, the limited bandwidth of Auratones means they're mid-focused anyway.)

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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby timoc » Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:53 pm

Mike Senior wrote:
The last I heard, they were scheduled to ship at the end of September. I for one will be getting hold of them as soon as I can to put them up against my Avantone Mix Cube and Canford Diecast. I'll report back when I do... :round1:

They are shipping from German online stores now and I'm tempted to pull out the old credit card right now, but may hold off to hear what your thoughts are on the comparison...
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Mike Senior » Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:47 am

timoc wrote:They are shipping from German online stores now and I'm tempted to pull out the old credit card right now, but may hold off to hear what your thoughts are on the comparison...


Thanks for the heads-up. I'll get one over here straight away.
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Mike Senior » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:19 am

Just had the C5A delivered yesterday. (C50 still not yet available -- I'll try again next week on that.) Good timing, actually, because I'm right in the middle of some pretty involved lead-vocal balancing work at the moment. My first experience was the flimsy plastic frame which supports the grille-foam fracturing in two places as I tried (carefully) to remove it. Other than that, though, the thing seems pretty robust, and quite a lot deeper than an Auratone, given the built-in amp -- about 50% deeper than it is tall. Reasonably heavy too.

First thing I did was sling it up alongside my Avantone Mixcube Active, and my first impressions are that it's LF frequency range is a lot more restricted by comparison -- more like my memories of the original Auratone, in fact. You'd have to work really hard to get your bass instruments to cut through on it, which is part of the point of using one. The timbre feels a lot less 'smooth' than the Avantone -- it comes across as definitely more lo-fi -- in that the details of the mix feel less clear, and everything feels a bit cramped together. This might well be a distortion issue, because the Avantone is very good in that respect. The big plus-point of the C5A for me so far is that it seems to be able to resolve lead-vocal balance pretty well. There's not much between it and the Avantone on this count as far as I can hear so far, although I've only given it an hour's listening, to be fair.

It'll be interesting to see how the C50 compares... Anyone else had any first-hand experience of the C5A?
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Gerard Klein » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:27 am

Hello Mike, great that you could share so quickly. Do you think that there could be some "breaking in" involved (is that correct in English)? You know, where a speaker needs to work for a day or so to get to its true sound. On some other speakers I had it could make quite a difference, especially in the lower registers.

And do I get it right that you recommend getting just one unit, so you never use it in stereo?
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Postby Andi » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:14 am

Isn't the C5A supposed to hint at the Auratone and the C50A the Avantone? If so then so far so good.

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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:58 pm

Andi wrote:Isn't the C5A supposed to hint at the Auratone and the C50A the Avantone? If so then so far so good.

A.


Admittedly the C50A's 'look' like the Avantones, but are far as I can see, both models are identical expect that:

a) C5a is sold singly and has a veneered case with detachable front grille.

b) The C50A's are sold in pairs and had a gloss black case and no grille.

Behringer's own PDF brochure doesn't make things much clearer either, except that the C5A is described as 'modeled on a famous model from the 1970s', but whether this is the 'look' or the 'sound' isn't mentioned :headbang:

www.behringer.com/assets/C50A_C5A_WebBrochure.pdf


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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:05 pm

Just answered my own query by watching the Behringer NAMM 2011 snippets on YouTube - apparently on the C50A they 'widened out the frequency response a little' compared with the C5A.

I strongly suspect that this means changing a couple of component values on an input filter before the digital amp (rather than tailoring the cabinet or loudspeaker model), so the C5A could possibly be retro-tweaked or even have a rear panel control fitted to switch between the two responses 8-)


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Postby Gerard Klein » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:42 pm

From the video: the rear seems to be identical on both models. So I guess no switch... although you can't see the entire back.
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Did not know that about the different sound. Interesting! And even harder to choose what to order...
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Mike Senior » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:57 pm

Gerard Klein wrote:Hello Mike, great that you could share so quickly. Do you think that there could be some "breaking in" involved (is that correct in English)? You know, where a speaker needs to work for a day or so to get to its true sound. On some other speakers I had it could make quite a difference, especially in the lower registers.

Some speakers can require a bit of burning in, so I'm not rushing to any conclusions quite yet. :)

And do I get it right that you recommend getting just one unit, so you never use it in stereo?

You can get a stereo pair if you want, but I don't see any need to if you've already got stereo nearfields. Plus, it's easier to judge balance from a single-point source than from phantom images.
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:47 pm

Gerard Klein wrote:From the video: the rear seems to be identical on both models. So I guess no switch... although you can't see the entire back.

Sorry Gerard - I meant that it could be THEORETICALLY possible to add a DIY switch once we boffins have seen the circuit diagrams ;)

Mike - what does the C5A loudspeaker look like once you've removed the foam grille? Does it look like the same driver unit as the chromed C50A version?


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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Mike Senior » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:05 pm

Martin Walker wrote:Mike - what does the C5A loudspeaker look like once you've removed the foam grille? Does it look like the same driver unit as the chromed C50A version?


I'll check when I get the C50. The reality of the hardware may not match the press shots.
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Martin Walker » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:11 pm

Mike Senior wrote:
Martin Walker wrote:Mike - what does the C5A loudspeaker look like once you've removed the foam grille? Does it look like the same driver unit as the chromed C50A version?

I'll check when I get the C50. The reality of the hardware may not match the press shots.

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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby timoc » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:43 pm

Thanks for posting. Here's a simple question: if I don't have a budget for the Avantone at the moment, do you think buying a single Behritone comes close to being useful as a mono mid-range reference speaker?
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Re: Behringer C5A or C50A Behritone vs Avantone Mixcube Active

Postby Mike Senior » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:00 pm

timoc wrote:Thanks for posting. Here's a simple question: if I don't have a budget for the Avantone at the moment, do you think buying a single Behritone comes close to being useful as a mono mid-range reference speaker?

Not a simple question! :) Depends what you're wanting it for, which is why I'm sitting firmly on the fence at the moment. :roll:
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