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Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:02 am

Make a date for your diary: Friday 3rd August 15.00 UK time!

The August issue of Sound On Sound features an in-depth review of the new Behringer X32 digital mixing console which has redefined the price/performance benchmark for the live sound console market, and a second follow-up article is planned after using the desk in genuine live sound situations.

Given the huge interest that the X32 console has generated, Sound on Sound is delighted to announce an exclusive live SOS Forum Q&A session with Uli Behringer to discuss the X32 and related products, as well as the Music Group’s plans following its acquisition of Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound. This live forum Q&A session will be held on Friday 3rd August, between 15.00-16.00 UK time*, on the Live Sound & Performance forum (www.soundonsound/forum).

Joining Uli Behringer to help answer corporate questions will be Costa Lakoumentas (Senior Vice-President Marketing), while Jan Duwe (Product Manager for the X32) and Christian Stahl (Marketing Communications) will also be on hand for in-depth questioning about the X32 console.

The X32 console is a revolutionary product for Behringer, and the first to draw on the expertise of the Midas and Klark Teknik companies which are now part of the Music Group.

(*Corresponding times for other world locations: Los Angeles 07.00-08.00, New York 10.00-11.00, Rio de Janeiro 11.00-12.00, Sydney 00.00-01.00 Saturday)
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Bossman » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:17 am

I think someone needs to be reminded about not double posting!!!
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:26 pm

...and advertising too!

This is a first for the SOS forums and may lead on to many more similar sessions with other manufacturers if it is successful. So I want to make sure that as many people as possible are aware of it...

But apologies for the quadruple posting

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby SafeandSound Mastering » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:47 pm

Sounds interesting. I have a question, would Behringer consider making a serious mastering equalizer? As a step into new territory, maybe it could be a personal challenge for Uli, stepped controls, stereo ganged, transformer I/O something along those lines for < £600.00 that would be an interesting product.

Also there is a decent market for a reasonably priced reliable, small broadcast console with remote cd starts, 4 mics with insert points, fader monitor cuts, a couple of stereo auxes/mono for mic channels, 2 stereo buses (tx /record) both with inserts points for a station processor. Create an over specced wallwart PSU so it is reliable.(and you have a back up supply ready to go) Some of the radio producers I have worked with in my past career often ask about such a product and there is little even close this side of £5K without loads of compromises.

Just ideas off the top of my head.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:23 pm

SafeandSound Mastering wrote:I have a question, would Behringer consider making a serious mastering equalizer?

Pretty specialised niche product for a notoriously picky market... can't see it happening myself -- but please do join in on Friday and ask them yourself.

Also there is a decent market for a reasonably priced reliable, small broadcast console with remote cd starts, 4 mics with insert points, fader monitor cuts, a couple of stereo auxes/mono for mic channels, 2 stereo buses (tx /record) both with inserts points for a station processor.

Seen the A&H XB14? It costs under a grand and ticks all your requirements.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Bossman » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:40 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:But apologies for the quadruple posting

ok, just make sure it doesn't happen again... or I'll report you.. consider yourself warned.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby jaminem » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:25 pm

Serious question.

Considering Behringers reputation for quality and reliability, what steps have they taken to ensure users that their revised products are of sufficient standard now they are moving out of the budget end of the market.

The thought of spending 2K on something with a Behringer badge fills me with terror. In fact frankly, I just wouldn't do it at the moment, so what would Uli do to change my mind?
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:41 pm

It's a good question, and you're not alone in asking it. I have to say that I unpacked the X32 to review it with some trepidation after some bad experiences of my own with other B products.

However, as much as I expected and even wanted to find evidence of poor quality and reliability, I simply couldn't, and I ended up being genuinely impressed with the thing. Time will tell on the reliability front, of course, but all the early reports seem very good.

However, why not ask the man directly on Friday -- he is expecting this kind of question. Let's not disappoint him!

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Guest » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:50 pm

I'm sure that the reason for the vibrant 2nd hand market in Behringer gear is the idea that if it will last for a year, it will probably go on forever-ish.
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby shufflebeat » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:55 pm

Will there be some way to organise 'class' questions so we don't get 250 people asking "how does it feel to be the one that dragged Germany's reputation for reliability and quality into the gutter for 10+ years?"
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby jaminem » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:00 pm

shufflebeat wrote:Will there be some way to organise 'class' questions

Good idea!

Not going to be able to make the Q&A due to work commitments, but gathering a few FAQ's and posting the results would be a good idea. Although if the answer to my question is unsatisfactory I wouldn't bother reading the rest...
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:35 pm

This will be something of an experiment -- a forum is an interesting place to try to hold a Q&A session and I'm sure there will be a certain amount of chaos involved due to the inherent latency.

However, I will gather the various questions raised in this and the other threads during the week to ask by way of getting the ball rolling, and we'll see where that takes us.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby alexis » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:41 pm

I hope someone has a chance to ask about the amazing-if-true-but-as-yet-unconfirmed-urban-legend regarding the 3 year insurance/assurance policy, as referenced in the copied post below:


Post July 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM on this thread: Exclusions to 3-Year Warranty?
STRANGY wrote:Looks interesting. Limited 3 year warranty sounds promising. Just better hope it's not one of the following that fail:

Digital Displays / LCDs
Meters
Switches / Sensors
VRS / Potentiometers
Loudspeaker drivers or diaphragm assemblies
All faders including cross-faders and motorized faders
Any mechanical component that may be affected by externally applied force

Excluded from the 3years by looks of the small print on the web site.
I think said warranty is Behringer's only legitimate defense against charges that it would be silly to spend that kind of $ on a product from a company whose main defining characteristic might reasonably be described as "reliable of shoddy workmanship, products destined to fail too soon, but OK value at the usual rock-bottom prices".

$2K+ isn't rock bottom price anymore, regardless of what feature set is included!
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby vinyl_junkie » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:13 pm

I think it's a great idea.

I'd like to see if Behringer would ever get into making synthesizers :-)
I know there was a survey a while back they did where they asked what every one's fave synth was, I think no1 was the Juno 106

As to the issues with build quality I don't think it's anything to do with their manufacturing facilities as they seem to be state of the art facilities but more with the stuff they stick in em or poor design.
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby grab » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:09 pm

FWIW, I don't think it's either of them; I think it's that testing anything with a front-panel needs a human being, and human beings on a production line are expensive.

One question from me. The Mackie DL1608 is a nifty idea. Once Behringer have got the iPad/PC app properly sorted with the X32, would a similar interface-less mixer based on the X32 architecture be on the cards? (Or perhaps similar-but-different - personally I could see a 2U/3U rackmount box being an alternative way of doing the same trick with a different format.)

Oh, and another question. A lot of people have been asking about sending MIDI to the DAW, but there's another option. The DDX3216 could record automation and parameter changes onto its memory card. If the X32 could record its parameter changes *and* inputs onto the USB stick, you would effectively have a hugely capable portastudio, and users could potentially work entirely in the X32 without needing a DAW. Any thoughts this way?
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Bob Bickerton » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:05 pm

If you keep it going for around 6 hours I might join in

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Dynamic Mike » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:24 pm

I've had a couple of products over the years & they've been fit for purpose given the price. However, having tried to decipher a few of their manuals, I have to wonder whether there's going to be a language problem?
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby mpostor » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:34 am

I suggest getting a coffee and some biscuits and then sitting down and reading this:

http://soundforums.net/varsity/4299-uli-behringer-music-group-q.html

The subject of quality and reliability comes up several times.

HTH.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Zukan » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:06 am

Then this is the perfect time to air and chair these inquiries.

Hugh, I think this is a great idea and I would love to see this extended to all manufacturers.

Horse's mouth situation would be a real acid test for both sides.
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby SafeandSound Mastering » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:51 am

Thanks Hugh, I was aware of the A+H, I think it was number of channels that meant it was a bit small stereo sources wise but it does indeed fulfill everything. It is much better specced than I recall it being. Thanks for reminding me, it has a hell of a feature set and I like A+H as a rule.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Red Mastering » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:32 pm

jaminem wrote:Serious question.


Considering Behringers reputation for quality and reliability, what steps have they taken to ensure users that their revised products are of sufficient standard now they are moving out of the budget end of the market.

The thought of spending 2K on something with a Behringer badge fills me with terror. In fact frankly, I just wouldn't do it at the moment, so what would Uli do to change my mind?

lol,
that's very possible they will have a new name for those products
to separate it from B-ringer bad name:)
although I don't entirely follow B-ringer haters,
I own midi step controller, bcr2000 and bcn44 midi controllers
it;s very interesting to see they will step up from copying someone else design and make their own
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby vinyl_junkie » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:34 pm

mpostor wrote:I suggest getting a coffee and some biscuits and then sitting down and reading this:

http://soundforums.net/varsity/4299-uli-behringer-music-group-q.html

The subject of quality and reliability comes up several times.

HTH.

Stu.

Very interesting read that, already lots of good questions and answers
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby shufflebeat » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:55 am

mpostor wrote:I suggest getting a coffee and some biscuits and then sitting down and reading this:

http://soundforums.net/varsity/4299-uli-behringer-music-group-q.html

The subject of quality and reliability comes up several times.

HTH.

Stu.


QI.

Seems it was all the fault of the Chinese. Feeble.

I'm not really bitter, I've only had a few problems of my own and the feedback destroyer and cable tester (adapted to avoid self destruction) I do have are trundling on with only the odd sprinkle of holy water (deoxit) and glued down screws.

What gets me is the huge, huge waste of resources and the apparent assumption that if you can survive the returns and the badmouthing of those who just give up and dump the offending unit then you can claim success.

This all sounds a bit British Leyland.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the X32 worked perfectly for a lifetime but nobody knew because only a few trusting souls were prepared to take a chance on it.

I know it's cheap enough to take a chance on but the fact that this is the common tag line speaks volumes.
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby RegressiveRock » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:11 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Make a date for your diary: Friday 3rd August 15.00 UK time!

The August issue of Sound On Sound features an in-depth review of the new Behringer X32 digital mixing console which has redefined the price/performance benchmark for the live sound console market, and a second follow-up article is planned after using the desk in genuine live sound situations.

Given the huge interest that the X32 console has generated, Sound on Sound is delighted to announce an exclusive live SOS Forum Q&A session with Uli Behringer to discuss the X32 and related products, as well as the Music Group’s plans following its acquisition of Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound. This live forum Q&A session will be held on Friday 3rd August, between 15.00-16.00 UK time*, on the Live Sound & Performance forum (www.soundonsound/forum).

Joining Uli Behringer to help answer corporate questions will be Costa Lakoumentas (Senior Vice-President Marketing), while Jan Duwe (Product Manager for the X32) and Christian Stahl (Marketing Communications) will also be on hand for in-depth questioning about the X32 console.

The X32 console is a revolutionary product for Behringer, and the first to draw on the expertise of the Midas and Klark Teknik companies which are now part of the Music Group.

(*Corresponding times for other world locations: Los Angeles 07.00-08.00, New York 10.00-11.00, Rio de Janeiro 11.00-12.00, Sydney 00.00-01.00 Saturday)

Sorry Hugh,

I have thought long and hard about this and there is an appointment that I cannot cancel.

You see I have to pick my toenails that afternoon.

Of course it will not be my toenails that I am picking. You see, I have made a practice of stealing other people's toenails so I can facilitate the significant volumes of toenail picking that I prefer. Of course, once I have finished picking them, I am typically so disgusted with the result that I throw the toenails away immediately, because the experience of picking someone else's toenails reminds me what picking my own toenails feels like, not a lot, but I know it is better and more satisfying. Even if I do get any satisfaction from the process, the toenails, having been detached from their owner, break easily or will not perform the toenail-picking function at all.

If this appointment falls through, I have another appointment to f**k myself up the *rse with a broken bottle. It will, of course, not be my broken bottle...

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby ef37a » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:31 pm

As Red M alluded to, I wonder why they did not use another name for this product?

The range of Bugera amps seems to have a fairly good rep'? Fools nobody of course and "we" would all know that the mixer was a Behringer under the bonnet but if it is not "in yer face"?

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:43 pm

RegressiveRock wrote:I have thought long and hard about this and there is an appointment that I cannot cancel.


Thanks for that unusually unhelpful and fairly disgusting reply.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby shufflebeat » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:10 pm

ef37a wrote:As Red M alluded to, I wonder why they did not use another name for this product?

The range of Bugera amps seems to have a fairly good rep'? Fools nobody of course and "we" would all know that the mixer was a Behringer under the bonnet but if it is not "in yer face"?

Dave.

V pos. Keep the family brand ID:

Bugerd

Or at a tangent:

Tempo-rary
Do4Now
Boomerang (no disrespect to others implied)
1in4

End of cynical rant (we'll see).
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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby ef37a » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:20 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
RegressiveRock wrote:I have thought long and hard about this and there is an appointment that I cannot cancel.

Thanks for that unusually unhelpful and fairly disgusting reply.

Hugh
....Quite.
I have an ongoing, CLEAN beef!
I find there is a signal block diagram for the X32 in the Quick Start Guide but not in the user manual? Some years ago all Behringer mixer manuals carried such a diagram then it disappeared. Sometimes it could be found in a "specification" separate download, often now not.
Such diagrams are invaluable when trying to explain signal paths on forums.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:25 am

The last time I looked there was only a 'preliminary' user manual -- and there's not much in in yet - and it's only been added inthe last few weeks, and it's smaller in file size than the quick-start guide!

I'm sure the block diagam will be included in the final version of the user guide -- they've already created the diagram, after all.

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Re: Uli Behringer live Q&A on the SOS Forum

Postby ef37a » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:46 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:The last time I looked there was only a 'preliminary' user manual -- and there's not much in in yet - and it's only been added inthe last few weeks, and it's smaller in file size than the quick-start guide!

I'm sure the block diagam will be included in the final version of the user guide -- they've already created the diagram, after all.

hugh
Bet it won't be! If whoever decides these things stays true to form the diagram will never make it to the user manual. This is now common throughout the Behringer product range AFAICT and some products do not have the diagram at all in some cases.
Cannot understand why it was ever dropped from the manual in the first place!

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