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Fighting haas effect mono problems successfully

Postby BlueGuy » Thu May 09, 2013 12:03 pm

On my current dance track mix I used the haas effect on a sustained "cyclic" organ sound, which sounded awesome in stereo but really weakened it in mono. (I used the haas effect on many other sounds as well, but this important lead sound suffered unacceptably.) I read up on and tested different battle tactics for better mono, such as different delay times or adding pitch-shifted delays but nothing seemed to work.

I finally got acceptable results by mixing in a multed version of the organ in the centre, and re-balancing everything by slightly lowering the centre volume and also lowering the volume slightly on the channel with the haas effect. The stereo effect is slightly less impressive, but the mono sound is much improved.

It's probably not news for most of you but hopefully it'll help someone!

I found some interesting thoughts about the haas effect on different types of sounds (futureproducers.com), and also an interesting discussion with contradictory opinions about mono compatibility importance for today's dance music (gearslutz.com).
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Re: Fighting haas effect mono problems successfully

Postby SafeandSound Mastering » Thu May 09, 2013 2:23 pm

Mono compatibility is as important as much as it ever was.

There is a caveat though and that is... if you know for sure your music will not be played on FM radio, through mono PA systems, in store hi fi and these mini speakers attached to a phone :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004DJMQ06/?tag=hydra0b-21&hv...

If your music is going places it will be.

Most mono compatible mixes sound better in stereo too, though that is a little more subjective.

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Re: Fighting haas effect mono problems successfully

Postby Bossman » Thu May 09, 2013 4:53 pm

SafeandSound Mastering wrote:Most mono compatible mixes sound better in stereo too

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Re: Fighting haas effect mono problems successfully

Postby shurikt » Thu May 09, 2013 5:23 pm

BlueGuy wrote:
I found some interesting thoughts about the haas effect on different types of sounds (futureproducers.com).

That futureproducers thread is fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Fighting haas effect mono problems successfully

Postby BlueGuy » Fri May 10, 2013 9:35 am

SafeandSound Mastering wrote:Mono compatibility is as important as much as it ever was.

If your music is going places it will be.

Most mono compatible mixes sound better in stereo too, though that is a little more subjective.

Very good points. And yes, I'm hoping my music's going places.

Also interesting proposition about mono compatible mixes sounding better in stereo. Kind of reverse thinking but I can see the idea. Stereo trickery is trickery, after all.
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Re: Fighting haas effect mono problems successfully

Postby SafeandSound Mastering » Fri May 10, 2013 2:10 pm

I think the current stereo image debate is sparked by a few dubstep producers who use especially wide sections of a track as an accent and to good effect. Hats off to them because it is in fact some damn fine production trickery in some respects. Of course when one highly esteemed producer goes others will attempt to follow by whatever means available, with varying results. This "extension" of what is typically acceptable may be down to the use of just a short section as an acceptable effect or the acceptance of less than ideal collapse to mono overall.

Of greatest importance is knowing, rather than guessing or being in ignorance of the consequence of any techniques employed when mono summed. That way you are making a real judgement on what you find acceptable for your musical results, no one has the right other than yourself to be the judge of that.

I personally always double check this stuff with the musician/producer in a mastering context just to make sure it is not in error and that it is intentional. Sometimes it is exactly how it is meant to be and sometimes the person has not checked mono at all or are even aware it is a good thing to do. In all cases so far people have been happy it has been identified and discussed.

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