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Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby intgenx » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:57 am

Folks,

After much thought and consideration and demo of various brands both active (Dynaudio, Focal, ADAM, Mackie, Event) and passive (B&W, Golden Ear, Boston Acoustic, Yamaha, Harbeth, Martin Logan, Sonus)... I had narrowed down my selection to the Genelec G Four (8040) for the LCR and G Three (8030) for surrounds...

now an unexpected decision point has come-up...
due to the sudden fall of the Indian Rupee and pre-existing stock (before the fall) and more willingness of the Neumann dealer to negotiate etc... it turns out that I could get the Neumann KH310 at just about 28% more than the Genelec 8040... (all inclusive cost in Indian rupees after delivery, duties and VAT etc)..

KH310 is a 3 way (about US$2100) and is normally double the price of the 2 way Genelec 8040...(about $1050)
A dealer who sells both brands does concede that he prefers the Genelec as it has a very low failure rate and very few warranty claims - as compared to other brands...

this presents me with the dilemma of which one to go for...

in addition - since I've been quietly working on learning the ins-and-outs of a DIY sub-woofer - I've also been toying with the idea of making my own active... mains...and have some tantalizing ideas in mind...

for eg. : a coaxial 2 way driver powered by tube amps... will look really cool.

one of the expert dealers here has suggested that if I'm doing a DIY sub - I should probably go with DIY mains and surrounds as well - as that will help me keep the performance and voice consistent - there is no point in having very high end pro mains and a DIY sub...


any thoughts on ideas on this from the esteemed members of this great forum would be greatly appreciated...

thanks in advance and warm regards...
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Re: Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby intgenx » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:13 pm

Folks,

I'm having to make the decision in the next 2 days as the deal ends and the Neumann KH310 goes back to about 75% more than the Genelec 8040 and the whole question becomes irrelevant...

Will appreciate a bit more votes... opinions and suggestions...

btw: the only reason the DIY option has come-up for the mains is because one of my long time associates is a pro-audio dealer/installer and he has friends who are a speaker designer / builder and the other an electronics expert. I should be able to reach out to them for guidance/collaboration in the DIY... and without them... the most ambitious I would think of would be a DIY sub...

Thanks in advance...
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Re: Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:29 pm

I am be wrong -- and no offence intended -- but it seems highly unlikely to me that you would have the requisite technical ability, experience or measurement facilities to come anywhere close to those available to the designers of monitor speakers of the calibre of the Genelec or, especially of the Neumanns. DIY speaker design can be fun and educational, but it is very hard to match what the pros can do, especially if your looking for a compact monitor.

If the kh310s re available at a special price, you'd be a fool to ignore it -- they are remarkable value at the full price, and i don't say that casually.

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Re: Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby intgenx » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:57 am

Thanks Hugh... for the replies...

The update is - I've decided not to go for a DIY active 2way or 3way... the most I should attempt is a DIY active subwoofer...

The decision on Genelec 8040 vs Neumann KH310 is actually a bit more complex because the KH310s dealer has sold out of his demo piece too due to the special pricing -and so I have to place the order "blind" (or in this case "Deaf") based on price and other factors...
the KH310 costs around $2100 and the G4 around $1400 (both prices after shipping, taxes, duties etc). Price-wise (310 is priced about 45-50% higher) and Specs-wise (2way vs 3way)- it is not a fair comparison at all... The comparison is coming in only because the KH310 is at a special price (about 30% discount from the before exchange rate fall prices) while the Genelec has increased the price due to the fall of the rupee and also apparently due to price increases from Genelec, Finland...

Now to the decision: the Genelec clearly has the advantage in the looks, reliability and 5 year warranty ... whereas the Neumanns are a 3 way (I can play music without the sub... and otherwise not sure how much better the 3ways make the Neumann better than a 2way Genelec) and offers only a 2 year warranty...
I've been trying to get a better warranty from the dealer and lets see how that goes and I will be making a decision as soon as I get some movement on that...
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Re: Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:53 am

take the 310 and get on with it.... at the discounted price, they're an absolute no-brainer.
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Re: Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby intgenx » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:27 am

Folks,
Thanks to all your inputs - I'm now going for the KH310 for L/C/R.
I need to make a decision on the surrounds (RR/RL) as a similar (but not as great a deal) is available for KH120 as well.

My choice is between a Neumann KH120 (for about $700 each) vs Genelec G Three or 8030 (for about $900 each)... after duties, taxes and shipping.

Normally these speakers are priced about the same... the present price difference is due to the Neumann dealer retaining the pre-rupee fall price for a limited period and Genelec increasing the price.

Thanks again folks...
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Re: Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:31 am

intgenx wrote:I need to make a decision on the surrounds (RR/RL) as a similar (but not as great a deal) is available for KH120 as well.


You'd be bonkers to choose anything other than the KH120s.

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Re: Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:19 pm

agreed..... KH all the way..... do not mix and match ..... (ideally get 2 more 310's ;) but if you have to cut costs, then the 120's will do . )
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Re: Genelec G Four (8040) vs Neumann KH310 vs DIY Active speakers

Postby intgenx » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:08 am

Folks,
The KH310 for L/C/R has arrived.
Absolutely can't wait to let it rip...


As I've blown way past (300%) of my original budget just for the LCR... I'm yet to decide/get the surrounds (KH120 vs 8030) and sub (DIY) - I'll add them may be next year - if the debt ceiling is raised by my one-woman-congress...

I'm now looking for a cheap/used AV processor 2.1 ch or 5.1ch or 7.1ch. or 9.1ch... whatever I can find..

even HDMI is optional...

problem is... the used equipment market in India is practically non-existent...
any ideas?
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