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Postby Gerhard Westphalen » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:39 pm

I looked up the noise laws for my city in order to make sure that I wasn't breaking them in the summer when I listened to music at night with my window open. Here is what it says on the city website:

No person shall cause or permit to be caused a continuous sound that exceeds
(a) 65 decibels (dBA) measured over a one (1) hour period during the day-time; or
(b) 50 decibels (dBA) measured over a one (1) hour period during the night-time;
No person shall cause or permit to be caused a non-continuous sound that exceeds:
(a) 85 decibels (dBA) measured over a period of 15 minutes during the day-time; or
(b) 75 decibels (dBA) measured over a period of 15 minutes during the night-time;

What I'm confused about is where are these levels measured? Is it at the edge of my property?
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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:49 pm

Probably, yes. Property boundary is a common measurement point, or the boundary of a neighbour (which is usually the same thing).

It will be an LAeq measurement, which is an continuous measurement averaged over a set time -- an hour in this case.

The non-continuous figures are probably intended for machinery, hammering and things like that.

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Gerhard Westphalen » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:54 am

Ok, thanks. In that case, I'm definitely within the law. Those values seem to be fairly high.

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby James Perrett » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:10 am

There may be other laws that govern the noise levels inside neighbouring properties. In the UK, your local council's environmental health department will be the people to talk to.
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Re: Noise Laws

Postby ef37a » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:12 am

Could we know the city?

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Gerhard Westphalen » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:15 pm

I'm in Calgary, Canada. I got that information off of the city website.
Regardless, I would stay well below those levels as common courtesy to neighbors since I think those levels are fairly high.

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Exalted Wombat » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:49 pm

Gerhard Westphalen wrote:I looked up the noise laws for my city in order to make sure that I wasn't breaking them in the summer when I listened to music at night with my window open. Here is what it says on the city website:

No person shall cause or permit to be caused a continuous sound that exceeds
(a) 65 decibels (dBA) measured over a one (1) hour period during the day-time; or
(b) 50 decibels (dBA) measured over a one (1) hour period during the night-time;
No person shall cause or permit to be caused a non-continuous sound that exceeds:
(a) 85 decibels (dBA) measured over a period of 15 minutes during the day-time; or
(b) 75 decibels (dBA) measured over a period of 15 minutes during the night-time;

What I'm confused about is where are these levels measured? Is it at the edge of my property?

I imagine they are taken at any position another resident chooses to measure them, inside HIS property. One hopes the results are subject to common-sense interpretation, to avoid situations such as the woman who complained about a neighbour's nudist activities, which were visible with binoculars if she stood on the wardrobe :-)
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Re: Noise Laws

Postby ef37a » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:14 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:
Gerhard Westphalen wrote:I looked up the noise laws for my city in order to make sure that I wasn't breaking them in the summer when I listened to music at night with my window open. Here is what it says on the city website:

No person shall cause or permit to be caused a continuous sound that exceeds
(a) 65 decibels (dBA) measured over a one (1) hour period during the day-time; or
(b) 50 decibels (dBA) measured over a one (1) hour period during the night-time;
No person shall cause or permit to be caused a non-continuous sound that exceeds:
(a) 85 decibels (dBA) measured over a period of 15 minutes during the day-time; or
(b) 75 decibels (dBA) measured over a period of 15 minutes during the night-time;

What I'm confused about is where are these levels measured? Is it at the edge of my property?

I imagine they are taken at any position another resident chooses to measure them, inside HIS property. One hopes the results are subject to common-sense interpretation, to avoid situations such as the woman who complained about a neighbour's nudist activities, which were visible with binoculars if she stood on the wardrobe :-)

Common-sense indeed E.W!
That 85dB daytime limit would be very hard to stay under with any guitar amp rig bigger than about one watt unless the offended party was quite a ways away!
And no doubt the lawyers will be on a nice little earner arguing "Daytime is Nightime"???

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Exalted Wombat » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:22 pm

Well, there IS a fair argument that a "guitar rig" in not something that should be inflicted on a neighbour with any regularity, at any level!
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Re: Noise Laws

Postby ef37a » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:53 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:Well, there IS a fair argument that a "guitar rig" in not something that should be inflicted on a neighbour with any regularity, at any level!

I quite agree but kids WILL want to practice and a local 90-100dB is not all that loud....To them!

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:58 pm

ef37a wrote:That 85dB daytime limit would be very hard to stay under with any guitar amp rig bigger than about one watt unless the offended party was quite a ways away!


Er... it is a limit for 'non-continuous sound' which is probably a Gemanglish translation for the 'Impulse sound' condition detailed in the Euro-legislation. And these figures are almost certainly talking about LAeq measurements gathered over a 1 hour time period.

It would need to be a pretty chunky guitar amp, in the garden, with pretty nasty sustained power chords strummed for a solid hour to achieve anything like that LAeq reading at the edge of a property boundary....

And if the OP was achieving that no one with ears would object to the neighbours getting a lynch mob together to deal with the offending antisocalist guitarist anyway!

And no doubt the lawyers will be on a nice little earner arguing "Daytime is Nightime"???


I expect the appropriate local noise legislation will have that defined precisely already...

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:02 pm

ef37a wrote: I quite agree but kids WILL want to practice and a local 90-100dB is not all that loud....To them!

Quite so... but (a) you're talking about instantaneous SPL, not LAeq, and (b) that would be inside a practice room (hopefully) with the doors and windows closed, and (c) the measurement point would (hopefully) be many metres away.

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby ef37a » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:02 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
ef37a wrote:That 85dB daytime limit would be very hard to stay under with any guitar amp rig bigger than about one watt unless the offended party was quite a ways away!

Er... it is a limit for 'non-continuous sound' which is probably a Gemanglish translation for the 'Impulse sound' condition detailed in the Euro-legislation. And these figures are almost certainly talking about LAeq measurements gathered over a 1 hour time period. it would need to be a pretty chunky guitar amp with pretty nasty sustained power chords for an hour to achieve that at the edge of a property boundary.... in which case the neighbours would be duty bound to lynch the offending guitarist anyway!

And no doubt the lawyers will be on a nice little earner arguing "Daytime is Nightime"???

I expect the appropriate local noise legislation will have that defined precisely already...

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:27 pm

It's Germany, the European heart of efficiency

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby ef37a » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:35 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:It's Germany, the European heart of efficiency

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Thought OP said he was in Canada?
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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:54 pm

Sorry -- my bad! I was working under the delusion that these were based on euro laws... all bets are off!

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby The Red Bladder » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:28 pm

Obviously it couldn't be Germany, because then daytime and night-time would be clearly defined, as would the method of measurement, the body permitted to make those measurements and the name and type of equipment used to make those measurements. Also, the exact position outside the property making a noise where such measurements are to be made is also defined.

It is all laid out quite clearly in the Bundesgesetz zum Schutz vor schädlichen Umwelteinwirkungen durch Luftverunreinigungen, Geräusche, Erschütterungen und ähnliche Vorgänge.

Though usually it is just known as the Bundesimmissionsschutzgesetz for short.

It is outlined here in simple terms that you all should be able to understand -

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Re: Noise Laws

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:48 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
ef37a wrote:
And if the OP was achieving that no one with ears would object to the neighbours getting a lynch mob together to deal with the offending antisocalist guitarist anyway!


well y'all talk big, but you've never turned up at my door to back it up
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Re: Noise Laws

Postby ef37a » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:57 pm

Studio Support Gnome wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
ef37a wrote:
And if the OP was achieving that no one with ears would object to the neighbours getting a lynch mob together to deal with the offending antisocalist guitarist anyway!


well y'all talk big, but you've never turned up at my door to back it up

Hey! That wasn't me!

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