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A simple setup for using outboard gear?

Postby Christian Bird » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:18 am

Hello from NY!

I have been using a very basic setup for simple demos

Guitar > Apogee One > Logic
Korg Nanopad > Logic

I have some outboard gear I love the sound of; and old Intersound IVP Preamp, some boutique effect pedals and some home-made noise manglers.

I have not been able to use / figure out how to use my current setup to use my outboard to colour my in-the-box sounds whilst being able to monitor the result.

Currently;

Apogee headphone out > Outboard > Apogee input (no monitoring!)

Has anyone experience with this (for a similar very basic setup), or could recommend a device to replace my One which could? I see the Duet has this option, but is rather expensive and has a lot of features I don't need.

Thank you very much for your thoughts & advice!
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Re: A simple setup for using outboard gear?

Postby _ Six _ » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:54 am

If you don't have send and return inputs/ outputs on your soundcard the only way to use outboard is in the signal chain on the way in. That means you'll have to commit to the sound and can't change it later.

If you want to use your outboard for mixing you'll have to invest in a unit that has the function to send and return signals with multiple ins and outs other than those that feed the monitors.

It's easy to use analogue outboard with Logic once you have the right gear.
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Re: A simple setup for using outboard gear?

Postby ef37a » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:19 am

If you are going to mangle the sound anyway, this.....

http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_u_phoria_umc204.htm

Has inserts!

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Re: A simple setup for using outboard gear?

Postby Christian Bird » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:34 pm

Thanks very much for your replies,

I see I am quite limited in my current setup then–I wasnt sure if I was missing something!

I am hoping to shape found-sounds / in-the-box drum sounds etc, so monitoring is crucial. Can the Behringer do this?

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Re: A simple setup for using outboard gear?

Postby ef37a » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:40 pm

Christian Bird wrote:Thanks very much for your replies,

I see I am quite limited in my current setup then–I wasnt sure if I was missing something!

I am hoping to shape found-sounds / in-the-box drum sounds etc, so monitoring is crucial. Can the Behringer do this?

Thanks again

I was being a bit tongue in cheek when I suggested the Behringer!
The point is if you wish to use outboard effects you need some form of insert or a mixer with FX send and return.
There are of course better AIs than the Berry with inserts but none come to mind atmo!

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Re: A simple setup for using outboard gear?

Postby Christian Bird » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:08 pm

Hi Dave,

I see - thanks!

If anyone is interested I found this article for 2010

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may10/a ... hybrid.htm

Hoping if anyone could recommend anything for my purposes, in a similar form factor to the smaller / less feature-centric AI out there.

I feel this would be a good article for the magazine about how to get into basic outboard setups!
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Re: A simple setup for using outboard gear?

Postby Zukan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:17 am

As Dave has pointed out, a simple half decent mixer will solve all your problems and will be the easiest way to achieve what you want.
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Re: A simple setup for using outboard gear?

Postby Christian Bird » Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:20 pm

I have found a solution which doesn't require any additional hardware. You can use the Audio Midi Setup utilityu on the Mac to create an Aggregate device with multiple outputs. Works perfectly for me

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3956

Hope this helps others
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