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Postby Peel Music » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:46 pm

Hi

Just getting into music production on a mac using logic and adobe but also running som mac office programs and sharing files across windows networks. I am a bit worried about malware, can anyone recommend a good AV solution for mac's which doesn't interfere with the music production performance?
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Aftertouch » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:49 pm

Sophos for Mac (free last time I looked) is pretty lightweight and is from one of the most respected AV companies there is.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Scope » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:03 pm

Anti-Virus for MAC


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Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

Seriously though, if its free, it will be crap, so it wont protect anyone using Windows from anything really nasty.
Let the PC users deal with AV software.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby ConcertinaChap » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:59 pm

Don't worry. Anyone of sense who raises even the mere whiff of a possibility of a suggestion that Macs might one day be subject to malware gets reactions like that. Just have a shufty at the Darwin Awards website and comfort yourself with the thought of what the future holds for them.

I also would commend the Sophos software. Free, lightweight and on past evidence effective.

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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Tui » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:02 pm

Let's be reasonable, folks. There is currently no need for AV software on the Mac. Perhaps, one day there will be. However, that day hasn't arrived yet.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby ConcertinaChap » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:41 am

Your choice. Personally I prefer to have protection in place before the event rather than after. Having said that, now we've answered the OP's question and shown there is some dissension on the subject, perhaps we can let this thread go quietly to sleep.

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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Exalted Wombat » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:37 pm

Scope wrote:Seriously though, if its free, it will be crap, so it wont protect anyone using Windows from anything really nasty.
Let the PC users deal with AV software.

Beware of the free = crap attitude. I have a friend who subscribes to that. He finds it hard to value anything he didn't pay for. So when his computer has a problem, he looks for the most expensive solution because it MUST be "best". He's therefore an easy target for fake antivirus malware.

I regularly rescue his computer. My main tools are MalwareBytes, ESET Online Scanner and ComboFix. All free.

There are bad guys out there, putting a lot of time and effort into malware. Fortunately, there are some good guys too.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Stonehousestudio » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:46 pm

Not saying I work with a lot of Macs or anything, but I see a few thousand a month in my business and if I were you i would seriously reconsider going without some form of AV software these days.

I have been a Mac user since 1989 and as of the last 18 months or so the game has changed considerably and I believe it is now worth while having something to keep you clean.

Sophos, iAntivirus or ClamX AV are all available for free, so its not as though you have to fork out any money for some basic protection.

Usual stuff applies, be sensible use built in firewall in OSX and if using Safari untick Automatically open Downloads in preferences etc.

The times they are a changing'

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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Exalted Wombat » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:54 pm

Stonehousestudio wrote:Not saying I work with a lot of Macs or anything, but I see a few thousand a month in my business and if I were you i would seriously reconsider going without some form of AV software these days.

So is there now real evidence of Mac malware? Details please? So far all I see is the odd panic over someone who was fooled into paying for and installing a program that he didn't need. No anti-malware system can protect against that!

If there now IS a real threat, please don't keep the information to yourself!
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby forumuser695516 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:53 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:

So is there now real evidence of Mac malware? Details please? So far all I see is the odd panic over someone who was fooled into paying for and installing a program that he didn't need. No anti-malware system can protect against that!

If there now IS a real threat, please don't keep the information to yourself!

Google. Try it.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Exalted Wombat » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:34 pm

~Paul wrote:
Exalted Wombat wrote:

So is there now real evidence of Mac malware? Details please? So far all I see is the odd panic over someone who was fooled into paying for and installing a program that he didn't need. No anti-malware system can protect against that!

If there now IS a real threat, please don't keep the information to yourself!

Google. Try it.

Give me SOME credit! I find reports of a scam, where the user is invited to install a program that displays porn and asks for credit-card details. It seems removable by the standard method? The necessary protection seems to be a dose of "Don't do that then!" Has anything more insiduous appeared yet?

If you have real information, please share it!
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Tui » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:17 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote: I find reports of a scam, where the user is invited to install a program that displays porn and asks for credit-card details. It seems removable by the standard method? The necessary protection seems to be a dose of "Don't do that then!" Has anything more insiduous appeared yet?

The short answer is No.

For a short while, the Mac Defender trojan caused a certain amount of trouble for people who chose to install it. Apple provided a free patch for it. You can read about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Defender
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Stonehousestudio » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:05 pm

I'll attempt to compile a list of them when I get to work next week for you, as I've seen a hell of a lot of infected machines in the last 18 months.


For now you can wade through some of these

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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Tui » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:54 am

Stonehousestudio wrote:I've seen a hell of a lot of infected machines in the last 18 months.

You are the first person I've come across who claims to have "seen a hell of a lot of infected machines". Would to care to detail how many "a hell of a lot" are, and if the malware found required user approval for installation?
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby . . . Delete This User . . . » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:01 am

for reasons of contractual obligation, i suspect stonehouse cannot say much more.... ....

but i know who he is, and where he works. have consumed beer with him, and worked with him......


let us merely suggest that he works for a fruit shop???


and that he's not exactly sales driven.


and that you can take his word as honest.






and , for the record, i now have Sophos installed


and have been assessing other security related software recently.


it's not about anything damaging to the mac or it's user's data in itself, and more about stuff that can get passed on to PC users, BUT, there are some spooky things going on with mac users and email accounts these days..... i know of a number of mac users whose address book email contacts are seemingly being spammed by them, somehow.....


they're mac users only, no PC's have been in their use , and somehow, their contacts lists are getting sent spam from their email accounts, it's not just random people with a spoofed "reply to" address but their contact list, although not always the complete list,

i dunno if it's from their iOS devices, or their Mac OS devices, but somehow, something has cottoned on to their contacts list and generated spam emails (presumably remotely, as there's no outgoing emails in the mail client)


for all i know it may have happened at their ISP server end..... but the point is, it HAS happened to Mac users.....


and i have seen it firsthand.

and having poked at the issue a little, i can say that it MUST be them that has the problem somewhere, as in some cases, the recipients of the email have no other common point of contact......



so, while i still snort rudely about any data destructive Mac viruses, , i am no longer of the opinion that everything is entirely hunky dory.


worth considering...
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby . . . Delete This User . . . » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:16 am

although i'd note in addition that the threat list posted by Stonehouse does include a number of items that can nowadays be considered irrelevant, as they apply to OS7-9 , basically, anything that includes the word classic in it's description ..... which is about 1/4 of the list i guess.....


which still leaves a LOT of trojans...... in mac terms.... (as opposed to the NONE that people still think are there..... )


it's a drop in the ocean compared to the PC, but .... it will still get you wet.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Tui » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:42 pm

Fair enough, to all of your points.

The problem I have with security companies is that I don't trust them any more than the hackers. Cui bono.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:16 pm

Idris Y Draig wrote:for reasons of contractual obligation, i suspect stonehouse cannot say much more.... ....

but i know who he is, and where he works. have consumed beer with him, and worked with him......


let us merely suggest that he works for a fruit shop???


and that he's not exactly sales driven.


and that you can take his word as honest.


I haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to tell us here? :-)
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Johnny Stecchino » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:53 pm

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Re: Anti Virus

Postby * User requested deletion 2 * » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:27 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:

I haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to tell us here?


No one has the slightest idea if you're asking a question or making a statement - you're going to have to grasp the basic rules of grammar a little more firmly, and then try posting again.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:02 pm

ex-reid wrote:
Exalted Wombat wrote:

I haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to tell us here?


No one has the slightest idea if you're asking a question or making a statement - you're going to have to grasp the basic rules of grammar a little more firmly, and then try posting again.

Didn't you notice I was responding to
"let us merely suggest that he works for a fruit shop???" :-)
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby * User requested deletion 2 * » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:51 pm

Wriggle, wriggle little marsupial - you're going to have to do a lot better than that.
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby . . . Delete This User . . . » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:52 pm

rumble rumble....


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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Johnny Stecchino » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:03 pm



Ok I installed it, hope it's the right thing
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Re: Anti Virus

Postby Exalted Wombat » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:39 am

ex-reid wrote:Wriggle, wriggle little marsupial - you're going to have to do a lot better than that.


No, that'll do! I trumped you quite nicely :-)
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