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iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby discospring » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:54 pm

I'm soon to replace my white macbook and am considering spending half my funds on a new iPad with the compromise of buying an older used macbook instead of a new one.

I'm making music for films and need a stronger computer for orchestral software. But for sound design I was about to invest in Omnisphere, an effects suite and a granular synth. For the same price I could have a touch screen and an endless stream of innovative apps each costing a few quid. Yes I've been hibernating. I'd appreciate any opinions. What would you do? Some questions:

Does IOS software sound quality equal OSX software? eg. Animoog vs Gforce Minimonsta?

If so, why do apps cost a few quid but their OSX equivalents cost hundreds?

Will IOS apps ever gain the functionality of plug-ins, ie. recording parameter changes between an ipad App and laptop DAW?

The pointblank tutorials I've seen just send the iPad's headphone out into the laptop DAW. Is there not USB integration? eg. are cloud hosts really the best way to transfer files?

Is there a recent version of this excellent article here? http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun11/articles/ios.htm
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby Wease » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:53 pm

I'd try another direction......

The Mac mini is about half the price of a MacBook Pro ....even a newer old model.....and is much the same spec.....£499 from apple now and would be an equal-ish kinda upgrade as a nearly new MacBook Pro.....(I don't think you'd get a second hand MacBook...they haven't made MacBooks for a while....)

And you can pick up a monitor/mouse/keyboard very cheaply...wireless or USB

So you could buy a Mac mini and iPad for the price of a new MacBook Pro (you'd save £100 which would buy you a monitor....nearly!...and mice and keyboards are relatively cheap).....you'd basically have a free iPad!!!!!



It sounds as if you have already budgeted for your sound card mice etc and other studio stuff (or already have them) and the Mac mini will fit in fine.....especially if you don't need to be especially mobile.....the Mac mini is very small and portable tho.

As for The iPad and apps there are interesting things...and apps are beginning to be useful as replacement AU instruments...thanks to the new audiobus app and core audio/midi integration......and some controller apps are available....but IPad isnt and was never meant to be a computer replacement...and there is always a use for high processor and ram usage that only a "pc" format can give - and the higher end programmes...like logic etc....


........at least at the present time
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby TBTS » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:59 am

Wease wrote:I'd try another direction......

The Mac mini is about half the price of a MacBook Pro ....even a newer old model.....and is much the same spec.....£499 from apple now and would be an equal-ish kinda upgrade as a nearly new MacBook Pro.....(I don't think you'd get a second hand MacBook...they haven't made MacBooks for a while....)

And you can pick up a monitor/mouse/keyboard very cheaply...wireless or USB

So you could buy a Mac mini and iPad for the price of a new MacBook Pro (you'd save £100 which would buy you a monitor....nearly!...and mice and keyboards are relatively cheap).....you'd basically have a free iPad!!!!!



It sounds as if you have already budgeted for your sound card mice etc and other studio stuff (or already have them) and the Mac mini will fit in fine.....especially if you don't need to be especially mobile.....the Mac mini is very small and portable tho.

As for The iPad and apps there are interesting things...and apps are beginning to be useful as replacement AU instruments...thanks to the new audiobus app and core audio/midi integration......and some controller apps are available....but IPad isnt and was never meant to be a computer replacement...and there is always a use for high processor and ram usage that only a "pc" format can give - and the higher end programmes...like logic etc....


........at least at the present time


All very good advice.
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby Frog » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:31 pm

There are a few quite good ipad apps at the moment and with a little creativity USB interface is available and works well. The camera connection kit allows you to conect interfaces (you may need a powered hub). Auria is a well spec'ed DAW for the ipad that's getting some good reports and you can use iTunes to transfer some work-in--progress projects from apps like garageband between ipad and mac.
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby Richard Graham » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:43 pm

Anything you knock up in GarageBand for iPad can be imported into Logic 9 for mixing and further overdubs and instruments. Handy.
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby G-Doubleyou » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:38 pm

I have an Alesis iO Dock, allows me to use the iPad like an external midi module.

Just starting to explore the available amp modelers.

The Fairlight emulator,and Animoog sound good to my ears.

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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby discospring » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:27 pm

Thanks for these ideas. I'm off to the apple store to quiz the music genius before i decide...
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby G-Doubleyou » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:13 pm

discospring wrote:Thanks for these ideas. I'm off to the apple store to quiz the music genius before i decide...

I wouldn't be looking in an Apple Store for a music genius!

Checkout http://www.idesignsound.com/ for everything musical in the iOS world.

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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby Skerrick » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:49 am

G-Doubleyou wrote:
discospring wrote:Thanks for these ideas. I'm off to the apple store to quiz the music genius before i decide...

I wouldn't be looking in an Apple Store for a music genius!

Checkout http://www.idesignsound.com/ for everything musical in the iOS world.


lol, so i found this pair of "parrot" headphones on display in the mac store, theyre like $499.. i asked the girl wearing the genius shirt what the impedance was and whether theyd be good for production or if theyre just for regular use, so she went to the shelf, grabbed the box, lurked the back of it for about 2 minutes, then said she didnt know.. embarassing moment for apple imho.
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby Wimek » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:34 am

Skerrick wrote:
lol, so i found this pair of "parrot" headphones on display in the mac store, theyre like 99.. i asked the girl wearing the genius shirt what the impedance was and whether theyd be good for production or if theyre just for regular use, so she went to the shelf, grabbed the box, lurked the back of it for about 2 minutes, then said she didnt know.. embarassing moment for apple imho.

I use Macs since the early 90's and used to buy them from MacSupport, a "Premium Reseller" (not sure this is the correct name though...). MacSupport was a store mainly for professional users. They had excellent, knowledgeable people working there, I always got good answers on my questions and the service could not be better.

Some years ago, when Apple became booming selling iPods and iPhones, this shop was bought by a large company and is now (under another name) part of a very large chain of shops here in Holland. Their shop assistants do have the basic knowledge and help you in a friendly way but they lack more extended knowledge about specific application of Apple products... Small example: my brother wanted advise about a new laser printer for his company, the answer was: "We only sell this printer over here, we cannot help you... if you want something else..."

My conclusion: Most shops selling Apple products sell to a mass market and pay too little attention to professional users. However, now and then I come across more knowledgeable shop assistants, unfortunately these seam to be the exceptions...

My message to Apple: Please pay more attention to your professional customers
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby Wease » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:36 pm

G-Doubleyou wrote:I have an Alesis iO Dock, allows me to use the iPad like an external midi module.

Just starting to explore the available amp modelers.

The Fairlight emulator,and Animoog sound good to my ears.



I've been looking at something similar......how are you finding the alesis??

As for advice....I'd actually go down to a music shop that resells apple for apple music advice....but

iOS is a little different....you might actually find more advice on these forums than anywhere else.....I think there is a sticky on this section that relates to iOS apps for music....from real users

The only cost to the op is that you should also add any I sights you may have!!!


Me....I find the iPad a useful sketch pad with GarageBand, an interesting alternative controller with touchosc, alchemy and ac controller apps and a useful sound source with the likes of animoog tenori-I and others.....the most interesting app development seems to be as a specific controller for "main" daw instruments etc....alchemy being one I use.....

I'm also finding that the iPad is becoming more my tinternet, document work, photo organiser etc and my mac has much less, but more focused work (music and film editing)....
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby G-Doubleyou » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:04 pm

Wease wrote:
G-Doubleyou wrote:I have an Alesis iO Dock, allows me to use the iPad like an external midi module.

Just starting to explore the available amp modelers.

The Fairlight emulator,and Animoog sound good to my ears.




I've been looking at something similar......how are you finding the alesis??

As for advice....I'd actually go down to a music shop that resells apple for apple music advice....but

iOS is a little different....you might actually find more advice on these forums than anywhere else.....I think there is a sticky on this section that relates to iOS apps for music....from real users

The only cost to the op is that you should also add any I sights you may have!!!


Me....I find the iPad a useful sketch pad with GarageBand, an interesting alternative controller with touchosc, alchemy and ac controller apps and a useful sound source with the likes of animoog tenori-I and others.....the most interesting app development seems to be as a specific controller for "main" daw instruments etc....alchemy being one I use.....

I'm also finding that the iPad is becoming more my tinternet, document work, photo organiser etc and my mac has much less, but more focused work (music and film editing)....


Great for interfacing instruments and mics, getting midi and audio to your computer.

A/D is only 16bit, not great but OK.

Works OK as a sketch pad, not really part of myt DAW workflow.

I'm just starting to explore some of the amp modelers, to my DAW.

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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby blue manga » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:18 am

Doing serious work on iPad just isn't for me, personally - but I did just notice this http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/iS202.aspx
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby ManFromGlass » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:17 pm

I agree - once you have been working with logic and get it under your belt the iPad is not as efficient as a composing/mixing/production tool. It is fun to come up with a track or two as it gets you out of your "logic" way of thinking and this is a good thing. That being said my buddy is recording his EP completely on his older iPad in gband and we will dump it into my computer and finish the mixes here. I have more fun tools in Logic. The point though, is to be true to his sonic vision so how he has set up his mixes in gband will be the guide. The tools on the iPad to get to a final mix stage are ok but not as integrated as they are in a full scale DAW. In other words you will be importing tracks from one app into another and on and on. You may like this way of working and good for you. In the end the point is to get those tracks finished and move on to the next.
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Re: iPad/IOS 101 + advice sought

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:31 pm

discospring wrote:Thanks for these ideas. I'm off to the apple store to quiz the music genius before i decide...

Whatever you decide to buy, don't base it on advice from the Apple Store!

The iPad is portable, and can do fun things. But you'd be foolish to think you could usefully split your workload between one and a proper computer.
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