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Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby 007zac8 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:10 pm

Hi all

First post, total music production noob. I'm having the same problem that many others seem to have; wanting to listen to a video online whilst playing my MIDI keyboard at lowish-latency through a DAW.

Currently using ASIO4ALL, their free multi-client doesn't work for me (64-bit OS, tried downloading Ableton in 32-bit, which helped but still no solution).

My question is, would buying a cheap little PCIe internal sound card solve the problem?
Something like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pro-PCI-Expre ... Sw-4BXY7ro

I could use ASIO4ALL with it and have my MIDI directed through it, whilst playing Chrome on the motherboard-based sound card using the standard MME/Direct X/WDM driver?

Or does it not work like that? I really don't have the money for a £80 external audio interface with native ASIO multi-client and all that.

Help is much appreciated!!!! Thank you!!!

Zac

Setup:
Nektar Impact LX88+
Ableton Live 9
Mid-tower desktop, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
i7, 128GB SSD, 2TB HDD, 8GB RAM, 550W PSU, HD Radeon 7870
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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby Temp » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:59 pm

Have you considered an older ASIO supported soundcard? I've heard of folks that've managed to get the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 working on their Win 10 systems. There's one here for £20:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M-Audio-Audio ... 2146788309

They're great little workhorses, and you'll probably be able to offload it for the same amount of money so it might be worth a shot. Here's a few posts discussing compatibility issues on Win 10:

http://community.m-audio.com/m-audio/to ... windows-10

http://community.m-audio.com/m-audio/to ... audio-card

http://community.m-audio.com/m-audio/to ... ull_site=1

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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby ef37a » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:25 am

Hi Zac, if you have a PCI slot spare (as opposed to PCI "e") I have a 2496 you can have for free.

I had a W10 PC briefly and the card did work with the OS using W7 drivers but I did not investigate further than playing a Samplitude file and listening to Radio 3.

Another very cheap solution could be the Behringer UCA 202 and I also have one of those I could donate to your cause!

PM me. BTW. Samplitude Pro x Silver is a cracking free DAW. Limited to 8 tracks but that's enough for many users.

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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby 007zac8 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:21 pm

Hi guys

As long as you think a sound card would solve the problem, then great!
I'll have a look at the 2496 and maybe some other well-reviewed cards. Turns out, I actually will only have two PCIs free after I install my graphics card (not PCIe), so even better!

The 2496 has 4 RCA ports, 2 in and 2 out. I guess I'd get a 3.5mm jack adaptor to plug my speakers in, but what about my USB MIDI keyboard? Would I need some sort of USB-to-RCA adaptor to receive any benefit? Or can I just plug it the normal USB port and direct it's output accordingly?

Dave, thanks so much for the offer! I'll PM you ;)

Sorry for confused newbie questions. Haven't been on SOS long but the community vibe and help is great! :D

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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby mashedmitten » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:59 pm

You only need audio cables from the keyboard if using it's own sounds. If just triggering VSTi's, no.
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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby ef37a » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:00 am

Hi again Zac,

The 2496 can indeed be triggered from a MIDI (DIN) input from a keyboard or, (pretty sure) you can route a USB kbd to the card via the DAW you mentioned in your first post but I don't think that is Ableton? If you use the ASIO drivers for the card you should get very low latency.

A possible snag is Youtube sound. You will I am sure be able to tinkle ivories along with internet sounds, the problem might come in recording it all. The old (XP) card software had a mixer function and a handy system called "Monitor Mix" which allowed recording of anything coming out of the RCA outputs. The new, W7 software has a different control panel and no Mon Mixer!

You can however cheat and hardware connect RCA ins to outs (does not feedback) . I have not tried it but you might be able to do the same thing but loop S/PDIF.

I am sure at one time M-Audio made the old Control Panel available as an option post XP? If so I cannot find it, if anyone out there has a copy, do tell!

Are you handy with a solder iron Zac?

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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby 007zac8 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:14 pm

Hi Guys

@mashedmitten no, the keyboard does not have it's own sounds. Everything will come from Ableton.

Dave, I am handy with a solder iron, but less so with DIY fixes I don't understand! haha :P
I'm not really looking to do any recording alongside Youtube sound right now; as long as I can have both Youtube and Ableton running. Fed up of closing down Ableton, re-enabling my speakers and then reloading Youtube to watch one simple video!

Will I really just be able to connect the 2496 to my speakers with an adaptor like this?
https://img.misco.eu/resources/images/p ... 0x1600.jpg

I have Edifier M1380 2.1 speaker system. The satellites connect to the sub via RCAs, and the sub connects to the source via a standard 3.5mm jack. Is there and amplifier built into the 2496? Bit confused on how the whole computer-soundcard-amplifier-speakers thing works :/

Cheers!

Zac


Thanks for your help guys!
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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby ef37a » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:21 am

Hi Zac, that cable is ALMOST right!

You will need 2 RCA plugs to a 3.5mm stereo jack plug cable. I have downloaded the manual for that speaker system and I can see no reason why the 2496 should not work very well with it.

Soldering? I only asked because you might have needed to make up some special cables but that does not seem likely now. Rest assured though, I am sure I can help you with anything you might need to do in the future.

BTW, have you PM'ed me Zac? I cannot find my PM list!
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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby 007zac8 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:03 pm

Hi Dave

Yeah PMs are kinda hard to find! Go to "Forum, My Control Panel, Overview-Private Messages, Compose Message-Inbox".

Sorry, what exactly was wrong with that adaptor I posted a link to? I thought 2 male RCAs to a female stereo 3.5mm jack was exactly what it was?!

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Re: Asio-multi client... cheap internal PCIe sound card??!!

Postby mashedmitten » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:31 pm

007zac8 wrote:
Sorry, what exactly was wrong with that adaptor I posted a link to? I thought 2 male RCAs to a female stereo 3.5mm jack was exactly what it was?!

Zac

I'm guessing it should be a male 3.5 jack.

How far from the interface are the speakers and how far are the speakers from each other? Reason I ask is that adapter looks a little short. You'd need extensions to reach the speakers. In that case the splitter should have female RCA's so you could use RCA patch cords to reach each speaker.
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