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PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby thehippityhophead » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:36 am

im a PC person iv only ever known PC's but im debating on getting a Mac, so whats better for my musical needs?
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Dale Campbell » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:03 am

Computers built from 1997-1999 are best, the chipset manufacturing process was changed after that due to some parts becoming illegal because of substances used in the circuit boards where deemed a health risk after disposal.

So I would pick up one of those with a vintage copy of windows ME, best must production system you can get. Silky high end, rich saturated lows.

Wish I had never sold mine as they go for a mint now.



........ but seriously horses for courses, Macs are great and people who are used using PC based systems will probably swear by them.

Plenty of amazing music has been made on both so it comes down to workflow and personal preference, (and budget to some extent I guess).
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby jj pep » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:16 am

Mac. Pc's are rubbish. Please see my reply in your other thread.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby crofter » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:27 am

PC, macs are rubbish.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Big_al » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:31 am

It totally depends on what you want to achieve with your creative time:

A. Constantly resolving driver conflicts, viruses, spyware, trojans, maintenance updates.

B. Make stress free music.









(if the answer is B, get a Mac) 8-)
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby johnny h » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:59 am

thehippityhophead wrote:im a PC person iv only ever known PC's but im debating on getting a Mac, so whats better for my musical needs?

Price/performance/expansion = pc
Ease of use/low noise/style/hassle free= mac
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby husker23 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:10 am

Big_al wrote:It totally depends on what you want to achieve with your creative time:

A. Constantly resolving driver conflicts, viruses, spyware, trojans, maintenance updates.

B. Make stress free music.









(if the answer is B, get a Mac) 8-)

what absolute garbage - I could rubbish every claim made here but I can't be bothered. But when I see nonsense like this which might affect somone spending thousands I can't help but butt in.

get a mac for logic or DP. These are good reasons. All the rest of the above is internet myth
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby crofter » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:18 am

Big_al wrote:It totally depends on what you want to achieve with your creative time:

A. Constantly resolving driver conflicts, viruses, spyware, trojans, maintenance updates.

B. Make stress free music.









(if the answer is B, get a Mac) 8-)

ten years ago maybe
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Guy Johnson » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:19 am

I'm sitting smugly in front of my mac, which never goes wr
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby DaveGerard » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:45 am

You've just asked one of those astoundingly annoying questions that will set everybody off!

The answer is it really doesn't matter. Both do pretty much the same thing. PC's are much more stable now, and in any case you shouldn't be using your music computer to surf the net and download things.

If your at a place that money doesn't matter get the best Mac you can.

Otherwise you'll get a much better PC than Mac for your money.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby funkyant » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:47 am

If you like to tinker, and have lots of software (plugins, freeware, etc) at your disposal, and have a brain and don't mind tweaking to get performance - then stick with PC.

If you just want to 'turn the key and drive' - get a Mac.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:48 am

My main tools are Cubase and Sibelius, on PC.

I don't follow the Mac support forum for Cubase. But Sibelius lumps the two platforms together. PC and Mac have both had recent os changes. The Mac seems to be causing more problems.

Mac people get religious about it. I've used both. I can't understand why.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Big_al » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:02 pm

husker23 wrote:
Big_al wrote:It totally depends on what you want to achieve with your creative time:

A. Constantly resolving driver conflicts, viruses, spyware, trojans, maintenance updates.

B. Make stress free music.









(if the answer is B, get a Mac) 8-)

what absolute garbage - I could rubbish every claim made here but I can't be bothered. But when I see nonsense like this which might affect somone spending thousands I can't help but butt in.

get a mac for logic or DP. These are good reasons. All the rest of the above is internet myth

Tell that to the 2-3 calls I get a week from friends or family asking me if I can go round and fix their PC for them because they have either one or all of the problems I have listed above.

Macs may be more expensive but the time (and headaches!) you save over the years by not having to sort out any of the problems listed above are well worth the extra expense, it's a no brainer really.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby crofter » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:08 pm

Guy Johnson wrote:I'm sitting smugly in front of my mac, which never goes wr

Ha, at last, a mac owner with a sense of humour :D
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby cfb4 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:25 pm

I've used both, for both personal and professional use. I was delighted when we switched our lab in college from PC (a combo of Dell, and some custom hi-end planks built by your humble narrator)) to Mac. We had Vista to thank for that, as even the most diehard PC user in our institution was wholly sympathetic to our discomfort at the prospect of having to 'upgrade' to Vista. Most of our problems disappeared overnight when we went to Mac. 1 1/2 years down the line I can truly say that for general music tech, recording, open source experimentation Mac is less trouble. They are not perfect however, and you do need to read the specs carefully esp. for the connectivity issue.
Now, a good, well-spec'd PC is a thing of joy. I'll never forget the first dual-core AMD I built on an ASUS mobo w/ zippy RAM - it really shredded and equaled any mac. PC laptops can be problem, outside of the specialist provider rebrands, it can be difficult to find ones which suit the music technologist - correct FireWire and USB bridges and all that.
I'm a confirmed Mac user now, the 2 years of pain free productivity that my current MacBook Pro has given me was more than worth the price paid. I like nerding around with upgrades, tweaks and all that jazz - but having to do it...... all the time.... no thanks!
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:04 pm

cfb4 wrote:even the most diehard PC user in our institution was wholly sympathetic to our discomfort at the prospect of having to 'upgrade' to Vista.

Why did you HAVE to upgrade to Vista? I can't think of a single music application that required this?

Though I hear horror stories of institutional I.T. departments causing havoc with global upgrade decisions, in practice I've never come across one which wasn't happy to treat the music department's DAW machines as a special case (likewise the CAD machines in the Design school, etc.) Admittedly, then the music department needs to include someone who actually UNDERSTANDS the tools he's teaching, but surely that isn't too much to expect?
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Scope » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:24 pm

As a Pro user, I have always used a Mac.
The industry runs on Mac.
Protools, Logic, Cubase, all 1st on Mac.

Sorry if this offends but in 20 years, I have never met a studio owner yet, who runs PCs.
( and I don't mean your mate's spare room, I am talking a proper studio.)

XP as an OS is hideous compared to Mac.
It really IS a pain to run.
Most Pro users want to switch on and go, not spend ages buggering about making it work.
This is fine for the amateur, who enjoys this form of masochism.
But not when time is money.
There is nothing to be gained by saving £200, when your £1000 a day studio is "down with computer problems".
But that was XP, a bag of bolts, now we have W7.

Personally I think W7 is the first truly viable OS from M/S and have been hugely impressed with it.
Sure MS publicly announced it was a deliberate attempt to copy the Mac OS.
But it actually works and without all the crap XP had.
I think it is a real threat to Apple, in way that XP and the laughable Vista were never going to be.

I am willing to bet in 5 years time, there will be quite a few top end users running an MS OS

If you buy a PC make sure it matches a Mac for power
Geek bench tests show a 3.2 C2D PC is beaten ( only just ) by a 2.4 C2D iMac.
See Geek bench results pages for proof !
The Mac is definitely quieter, so if you buy a PC factor in a quiet PSU and case.
Build a PC to the same standard as a Mac and there is no price advantage.

So which OS ?
Try both.
See which you prefer, because I don't think its going to matter much anymore !
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Octopussy » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:30 pm

I think with a PC it is possible to research parts and configure and build a great destop system.

But having suffered Vista on my Toshiba Laptop and attacking the thing with DPC latency checker in order to configure the thing as a music production computer I can honestly say that my fellow bandmate Mac Book Pro ate it for breakfast and just ran all sessions glitch free and ran like a dream. Heck I even dual booted my Toshiba with XP and went through the process of configuring it as Martin outlines and running the DPC latency checker and further tweaking and still the MBP ate it for breakfast.

Life is too short to spend learning to configured PC's with any Microsoft OS on em in order to make them useable. Linux on a PC might be a great experience, I dunno. But I've had enough and I'm jumping ship. I'm a Sonar user and have been programming music into Cakewalk products for almost 20 years (which is PC/Microsoft only) and I hate the smug Apple fanboys with avengence, but enough is enough.

Spend your days making and composing music. What muso in their right mind want to spend the time they could be creating musical works messing around with a PC running Microsoft OS struggling to get the thing opperational.

I need tools that will work so that I can get work done. I need to learn the programs I'm going to be working on. I don't need to be switching things on and off in the OS, pulling my frickin hair out, swearing at the computer that struggles to perform as well as it should.

Once I've paid for this years road tax and insureance it's time to buy a Mac and get on with MUSIC.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby johnny h » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:42 pm

Octopussy wrote:I think with a PC it is possible to research parts and configure and build a great destop system.

But having suffered Vista on my Toshiba Laptop and attacking the thing with DPC latency checker in order to configure the thing as a music production computer I can honestly say that my fellow bandmate Mac Book Pro ate it for breakfast and just ran all sessions glitch free and ran like a dream. Heck I even dual booted my Toshiba with XP and went through the process of configuring it as Martin outlines and running the DPC latency checker and further tweaking and still the MBP ate it for breakfast.

Yeah I agree, you'd have to be totally crazy to buy a PC laptop for music!

If you don't mind doing a lot of research a PC desktop is fine - very fast and cheap and you can make it really quiet. But its still an ugly box and everything has that cheap microsoft blue. Macs are more stylish and if you don't have a low income, just get one and don't look back.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Big_al » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:01 pm

I rest my case. 8-)
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby thehippityhophead » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:13 pm

Ermm... i didnt mean to set off a war, but i've come to realize that PC or Mac it doesnt matter they both do the same its down to the person and what they do with their tools.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Octopussy » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:33 pm

What, y'mean endless tool maintainence Vs using your tools to make something.

I love the variety of cards you can put in your PC. I love that you can choose an AMD processor if that's what you want to use. It seems like a product for the people, affordable and open. But no.. as soon as you tackle music making the your are having the fight of your life as Microsoft tries to kill you dead with stressful poorly configured BS.

I want to hate Macs, I really do! Far too many elitist fanboys trying to pronouce themselves superior somehow because they want to be special. But for making music and not learning to deconstruct the Microsoft OS du jour and become a computer engineer Mac is the tool for the Job. Computers should be there to perform their function and not be a diabolical hinderance and a threat to your santiy.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby cfb4 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:38 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:
cfb4 wrote:even the most diehard PC user in our institution was wholly sympathetic to our discomfort at the prospect of having to 'upgrade' to Vista.

Why did you HAVE to upgrade to Vista? I can't think of a single music application that required this?

Though I hear horror stories of institutional I.T. departments causing havoc with global upgrade decisions, in practice I've never come across one which wasn't happy to treat the music department's DAW machines as a special case (likewise the CAD machines in the Design school, etc.) Admittedly, then the music department needs to include someone who actually UNDERSTANDS the tools he's teaching, but surely that isn't too much to expect?

Beacause, at the time, our IS Services were planning a migration to Vista and cessation of XP support. To stay on the college network with PCs, we would have had to upgrade to Vista. As it turned out, they are still mostly on XP - but that was not the plan at the time. Please see the forum guidelines re uppercase text (shouting).
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Neil C » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:40 pm

I've got a MacPro, and I tried hard to use Logic and stay in OSX. But now I only use Windows on my Mac.
That's how definitely better for anyone OSX is.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby The Elf » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:31 pm

thehippityhophead wrote:Ermm... i didnt mean to set off a war, but i've come to realize that PC or Mac it doesnt matter they both do the same its down to the person and what they do with their tools.
The most sensible posting of this entire thread...

You're learning, Grasshopper! :D
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:39 pm

[quote="cfb4]
Beacause, at the time, our IS Services were planning a migration to Vista and cessation of XP support. To stay on the college network with PCs, we would have had to upgrade to Vista. As it turned out, they are still mostly on XP - but that was not the plan at the time. Please see the forum guidelines re uppercase text (shouting). [/quote]

The point is, what were your DAW computers doing on ANY network, except perhaps a strictly local one for sharing a multi-user software licence?

WRITING ALL IN UPPER-CASE IS SHOUTING.

SINGLE words in upper-case are e"]hasis.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby cfb4 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:46 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:
cfb4]
Beacause, at the time, our IS Services were planning a migration to Vista and cessation of XP support. To stay on the college network with PCs, we would have had to upgrade to Vista. As it turned out, they are still mostly on XP - but that was not the plan at the time. Please see the forum guidelines re uppercase text (shouting). [/quote]

The point is, what were your DAW computers doing on ANY network, except perhaps a strictly local one for sharing a multi-user software licence?

WRITING ALL IN UPPER-CASE IS SHOUTING.

SINGLE words in upper-case are e wrote:
hasis.

They're on a network because the machines are shared with non-technologist students who need access to that particular network for a variety of reasons.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:27 pm

cfb4 wrote:
They're on a network because the machines are shared with non-technologist students who need access to that particular network for a variety of reasons.

Oh. Hard luck. At least you can TELL the students Rule 1 for a DAW is "Keep it stand-alone, don't try to combine it with general functions" even if the institution is too broke to let you follow that advice :-)
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Folderol » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:39 pm

At the risk of pouring aviation fuel onto the fire, I notice no one has mentioned PCs running Linux, and I know there are Linux based studios out there.
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Re: PC or Mac? whats better for music?

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:10 pm

Careful now! Advocating Linux is frowned on even more than questioning Mac Supremecy :-)
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