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Final few questions before I build a new system

Postby Will_m » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:25 pm

Hi everyone, I'm planning a computer upgrade for this weekend and I have a final few questions. Basically going to be using some new components with my old PSU, drives, and a few other bits.

I'm planning on getting an SSD cache to pair to my audio drive (WD caviar black)with the aim of speeding up project/sampled instrument load times, probably going to go with this one:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/60gb-corsair-force-series-ls-25-ssd-sata-iii-6gb-s-phison-controller-toggle-nand-read-560mb-s-write-

Is it possible to add this cache to my audio drive without reformatting everything? I understand you need to change the BIOS to RAID instead AHCI or IDE mode. Obviously I'll have to format my current SSD that houses my OS but I'd rather not have to format the audio drive. That said if I buy any more sample libraries over black friday I might need a new HDD anyway.
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Re: Final few questions before I build a new system

Postby Exalted Wombat » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:54 pm

Are you sure this will make any useful difference? Unless you always use the SAME 60GB of samples, how will it know what to cache?
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Re: Final few questions before I build a new system

Postby Will_m » Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:44 am

Hi Wombat, I got this great advice from Pete Kaine a few months back:

Pete Kaine wrote: The cache tech works by tracking the data in use and loading the most accessed data when requested. So if your working on the same project for weeks at a time, it'll speed up over that period and it should have a positive impact on loading projects.

If your chopping and changing all the time it'll cause the algorithm to start dropping the older stuff from it's records althrough if the cache is large enough to deal with all your current projects at once and you'll still feel the benefit, so that depends on the available cache size and how many large projects you tend to work on concurrently. If your working with video & audio mind that would probably make it slightly less useful again for obvious reasons (large amounts of data messing up the tracking count)."

It's handy for speeding up programs, but the one thing I imagine we all want is to be able to speed up the load times when your selecting patches in E/W or Kontackt. Due to the way the cache works it'll have zero impact as your trying to skip through looking for audio, the only real answer with that would be to stick it all on SSD's.


At the time I thought I understood it fine but now that last bit troubles me. I was thinking that if there were certain patches I used often they would start to get cached and load quickly. For example almost all of my projects have an 8dio or IS piano patch loaded in, so I was hoping that as they get loaded for every project the time it takes them to do so would decrease.

I generally work on around 3-4 projects at a time some with very similar patches but most projects I work entirely with MIDI/samples then bounce everything when it comes to mixing, anywhere between 20 and 200 tracks. The mix projects which are just wav files actually load pretty quickly.

Is what I'm trying to do achievable with a cache drive or would I be better off getting say a 250GB SSD and putting my most used libraries/projects on it? I'd only really have room for around a 1/4 of my samples but I tend to use certain things a lot.
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Re: Final few questions before I build a new system

Postby Pete Kaine » Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:21 pm

Will_m wrote:
Is what I'm trying to do achievable with a cache drive or would I be better off getting say a 250GB SSD and putting my most used libraries/projects on it? I'd only really have room for around a 1/4 of my samples but I tend to use certain things a lot.

Yeah, that's probably a better solution. The Cache method is only really useful if your loading projects with the sound banks in the cache. As soon as you start skipping through your banks and it hits one that isn't cache, the performance will plummet again. It's a handy work around that helps in some senarios, I'm not so sure it'll give you much joy in this one however.
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Re: Final few questions before I build a new system

Postby Will_m » Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:09 pm

Cheers Pete, I think I'll likely go for the separate SSD, I can probably just about fit my most used bits on it. This build is getting pricier by the day though.
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Re: Final few questions before I build a new system

Postby The Boogiemen » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:21 pm

I just use a SSD for all my project work and make regular backups to my standard data/storage sata hard drive. You can throw pretty much anything at a SSD and not experience any lag.
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Re: Final few questions before I build a new system

Postby Exalted Wombat » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:16 am

Will_m wrote:Cheers Pete, I think I'll likely go for the separate SSD, I can probably just about fit my most used bits on it. This build is getting pricier by the day though.

Leave the SSD for now then. Wait until they get cheap enough that one the size you really need is affordable.
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Re: Final few questions before I build a new system

Postby Will_m » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:12 pm

I decided to go for the Samsung Evo 840 256GB, got one for £120 which I thought was pretty good and this size will be big enough for my most used libraries like LASS, symphobia etc.
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