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Postby alexis » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:54 pm

Title says it all!

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Postby Exalted Wombat » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:17 pm

There's plenty already. Only they're rather large tablets, with proper keyboards, generally called "Notebook Computers". What's this obsession with tablets anyway?
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Postby Folderol » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:44 pm

Latency of the hardware isn't an issue these days (unless you're doing something pretty complex). It's all the CPU and GPU starving eye-candy that causes the problems, and I can't think of place where it's more prevalent than on tablets.
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby alexis » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:48 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:There's plenty already. Only they're rather large tablets, with proper keyboards, generally called "Notebook Computers". What's this obsession with tablets anyway?


For me (not an obsession though), for remote audio recording, also no fan noise (a secondary concern, as that is far from the rate limiting step in my audio chain).

Loading something like Cubasis or Auria onto the tablet, recording, then bringing back to the DAW.

Had not considered a notebook. I assume since smaller, not more fan noise than a tower or a laptop ... are they otherwise well-behaved enough for audio recording? I wonder if they are powerful enough to load a full DAW (I use Cubase) on ...

[Edit: Sorry Folderol, I missed your kind post. I thought I'd read that indeed the latency on the non-Mac tablets was quite long, measured in scores of milliseconds ... I will have to revisit that. Thanks!]
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Postby The Elf » Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:15 pm

alexis wrote:Loading something like Cubasis or Auria onto the tablet, recording, then bringing back to the DAW.
Tablets are just cut-down computers that run a restricted set of software - there are already adequate non-tablet solutions for what you want to achieve (e.g. portable recorder, fan-less notebook, iPhone/similar plug-in mic's/interfaces), so why do want the solution to be a tablet?
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby RyanA4 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:55 am

Because tablets are handicapped. Us hardware people sleep better at night knowing everything we use to make music has limitations we must overcome!

In all seriousness, there are grumblings that the impending (probably next year) larger and more powerful iPad might be targeted squarely at pro audio/video folk- meaning Logic for iPad, (fingers crossed) a Thunderbolt port for interfaces, probably software improvements to improve midi and audio latency (and further speculation it will wirelessly mirror the desktop for the upcoming PowerMac towers....).

But I gave up on the iPad for anything but light midi sequencing and some 2-3 track recordings (until the iConnectMidi 4+ shows up at my door), and, of course, the guilt free VSTs for hardware addicts! It's more of a sketchpad for ideas that end up in a DAW and a nice compliment to a hardware setup- which is the best we can do for music production tablets at this point.
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby Daniel Drummond » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:22 am

If you will only record you don't need low latency, unless recording soft synths. For audio the latency doesn't matter as long as the musicians are not monitoring themselves through the software. Consider a dedicated 16 channel recorder also. I read a review a few months ago here in SOS of a cost effective one but can't remember the name...
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby RyanA4 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:37 am

The Zoom R24. Been very close to picking one of those up myself. Great little compact recorder, 24 tracks, 4 simultaneous inputs, can act as an audio interface and drop your mix right into a DAW. Great for people with lots of hardware- much faster results putting your drums and bass through a mixer--->Zoom R24--->DAW than throwing individual tracks in without total confidence in your leveling.
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby alexis » Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:37 am

The Elf wrote:
alexis wrote:Loading something like Cubasis or Auria onto the tablet, recording, then bringing back to the DAW.

Tablets are just cut-down computers that run a restricted set of software - there are already adequate non-tablet solutions for what you want to achieve (e.g. portable recorder, fan-less notebook, iPhone/similar plug-in mic's/interfaces), so why do want the solution to be a tablet?


I didn't know there was DAW software for iPhone, very interesting. I'm trying to look at only 24-bit solutions, do you know whether the iPhone fits the bill? Have you used one for recording, or do you know someone who has?

Portablity with multiple functions is the answer, of course. Can't use a Zoom to read the SOS forums, on a bus!

Rapturous Marsupial had mentioned a Notebook computer ... I have to say I'm not very knowledgeable about them, except vaguely knowing they're possibly smaller and more portable than a typical laptop (= good!). As far as I know Cubasis and Auria are only for iPad ...is anyone recording audio on notebooks? What software are you using?

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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby Exalted Wombat » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:39 am

RyanA4 wrote:n all seriousness, there are grumblings that the impending (probably next year) larger and more powerful iPad might be targeted squarely at pro audio/video folk- meaning Logic for iPad, (fingers crossed) a Thunderbolt port for interfaces, probably software improvements to improve midi and audio latency (and further speculation it will wirelessly mirror the desktop for the upcoming PowerMac towers....).

So it will be a Macbook Air. Probably makes more sense to buy something a bit chunkier, with ROOM for the necessary ports. But if it's important the base unit should be super-slim, and you don't mind hanging a web of adapter cables off it..
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby The Elf » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:00 am

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alexis wrote:Loading something like Cubasis or Auria onto the tablet, recording, then bringing back to the DAW.
Tablets are just cut-down computers that run a restricted set of software - there are already adequate non-tablet solutions for what you want to achieve (e.g. portable recorder, fan-less notebook, iPhone/similar plug-in mic's/interfaces), so why do want the solution to be a tablet?

I didn't know there was DAW software for iPhone, very interesting. I'm trying to look at only 24-bit solutions
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Of course it depends on how sophisticated you want to get, but if you're taking audio back to home base to work on it properly then a DAW is maybe overkill.
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby johnny h » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:27 am

alexis wrote:Title says it all!

Thanks -
It'll probably be a while. High end developers don't like Android because its users are lower in number, lower in income and lower in probability of paying for software. For audio developers its even worse - the audio system is very badly designed on Android and doesn't work with low latency audio.
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby alexis » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:38 am

The Elf wrote:
alexis wrote:
The Elf wrote:
alexis wrote:Loading something like Cubasis or Auria onto the tablet, recording, then bringing back to the DAW.
Tablets are just cut-down computers that run a restricted set of software - there are already adequate non-tablet solutions for what you want to achieve (e.g. portable recorder, fan-less notebook, iPhone/similar plug-in mic's/interfaces), so why do want the solution to be a tablet?

I didn't know there was DAW software for iPhone, very interesting. I'm trying to look at only 24-bit solutions
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Of course it depends on how sophisticated you want to get, but if you're taking audio back to home base to work on it properly then a DAW is maybe overkill.

Thanks, The Elf. Looks like a great way to get audio into an iPhone (says SOS's Paul White!) - I could see considering buying my 1st iPhone just to use it!

It's all a matter of personal choice, but on balance I like the idea of a little more DAW features at the remote recording end, even if I'm going to bring it back to the main DAW later. E.g., cycle recording w/ lanes - I know it's not a necessity, but I've gotten very used to recording audio that way, and all things being equal, would like to have that option remotely as well.

Cubasis obviously would be nice for me, as I'm a Cubase user. It unfortunately doesn't run on an iPhone, just an iPad.

Is anyone running a full scale DAW in a netbook?
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby Richard Graham » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:15 pm

alexis wrote:
The Elf wrote:
alexis wrote:
The Elf wrote:
alexis wrote:Loading something like Cubasis or Auria onto the tablet, recording, then bringing back to the DAW.
Tablets are just cut-down computers that run a restricted set of software - there are already adequate non-tablet solutions for what you want to achieve (e.g. portable recorder, fan-less notebook, iPhone/similar plug-in mic's/interfaces), so why do want the solution to be a tablet?

I didn't know there was DAW software for iPhone, very interesting. I'm trying to look at only 24-bit solutions
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Of course it depends on how sophisticated you want to get, but if you're taking audio back to home base to work on it properly then a DAW is maybe overkill.

Thanks, The Elf. Looks like a great way to get audio into an iPhone (says SOS's Paul White!) - I could see considering buying my 1st iPhone just to use it!

It's all a matter of personal choice, but on balance I like the idea of a little more DAW features at the remote recording end, even if I'm going to bring it back to the main DAW later. E.g., cycle recording w/ lanes - I know it's not a necessity, but I've gotten very used to recording audio that way, and all things being equal, would like to have that option remotely as well.

Cubasis obviously would be nice for me, as I'm a Cubase user. It unfortunately doesn't run on an iPhone, just an iPad.

So why not an iPad?
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby Richard Graham » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:20 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:
RyanA4 wrote:n all seriousness, there are grumblings that the impending (probably next year) larger and more powerful iPad might be targeted squarely at pro audio/video folk- meaning Logic for iPad, (fingers crossed) a Thunderbolt port for interfaces, probably software improvements to improve midi and audio latency (and further speculation it will wirelessly mirror the desktop for the upcoming PowerMac towers....).

So it will be a Macbook Air. Probably makes more sense to buy something a bit chunkier, with ROOM for the necessary ports. But if it's important the base unit should be super-slim, and you don't mind hanging a web of adapter cables off it..

You'd only need one adaptor cable on any laptop, including a MacBook Air, the USB audio-interface one ... Why would you need to add "a web of cables" onto it? What other necessary ports would you need room for :?
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby Dan Bo » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:15 pm

alexis wrote:Is anyone running a full scale DAW in a netbook?

Does Reaper count as full scale?
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby Exalted Wombat » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:52 am

Richard Graham wrote:
Exalted Wombat wrote:
RyanA4 wrote:n all seriousness, there are grumblings that the impending (probably next year) larger and more powerful iPad might be targeted squarely at pro audio/video folk- meaning Logic for iPad, (fingers crossed) a Thunderbolt port for interfaces, probably software improvements to improve midi and audio latency (and further speculation it will wirelessly mirror the desktop for the upcoming PowerMac towers....).

So it will be a Macbook Air. Probably makes more sense to buy something a bit chunkier, with ROOM for the necessary ports. But if it's important the base unit should be super-slim, and you don't mind hanging a web of adapter cables off it..

You'd only need one adaptor cable on any laptop, including a MacBook Air, the USB audio-interface one ... Why would you need to add "a web of cables" onto it? What other necessary ports would you need room for :?

Anyone who chose a MacBook Air would naturally also choose a super-slim "Mac-like" audio interface, with barely room for a mini-jack headphone socket, let alone XLR mic ports. So the web continues... :-)

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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby johnny h » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:04 am

Richard Graham wrote:
Exalted Wombat wrote:
RyanA4 wrote:n all seriousness, there are grumblings that the impending (probably next year) larger and more powerful iPad might be targeted squarely at pro audio/video folk- meaning Logic for iPad, (fingers crossed) a Thunderbolt port for interfaces, probably software improvements to improve midi and audio latency (and further speculation it will wirelessly mirror the desktop for the upcoming PowerMac towers....).

So it will be a Macbook Air. Probably makes more sense to buy something a bit chunkier, with ROOM for the necessary ports. But if it's important the base unit should be super-slim, and you don't mind hanging a web of adapter cables off it..

You'd only need one adaptor cable on any laptop, including a MacBook Air, the USB audio-interface one ... Why would you need to add "a web of cables" onto it? What other necessary ports would you need room for :?
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby Mixedup » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:07 am

Is latency the problem you think it is? I mean, you only really need zero latency for artist foldback, as long as you can use your headphones or sit in a room where you have monitors, rather than hear the live performance in the room. In which case, you can use a USB driver on an Android device if you wish. You might need a USB adapter cable, but it can be done. Not saying that this is the best solution - the iOS devices are currently better suited to audio - but location recording (in stereo) can be done.

I think the new MS Surfaces are due out soon, complete with an audio package. Not sure how that will work out, but it could be what you want, particularly if you're on Windows now.

The other option is to use a smartphone for everything else and get a nice compact recorder that's dedicated to teh task. Eg the Zoom H6 (6-track capture), or a larger dedicated recorder a la A+H ICE16 (though you'd need something with mic preamps for that...).

Personally, I'd be choosing a compact notebook with Windows and plenty of USB ports for dongles, interfaces etc, as this will make for a much more versatile solution IMO.
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Postby johnny h » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:15 am

Mixedup wrote:Is latency the problem you think it is? I mean, you only really need zero latency for artist foldback, as long as you can use your headphones or sit in a room where you have monitors, rather than hear the live performance in the room. In which case, you can use a USB driver on an Android device if you wish. You might need a USB adapter cable, but it can be done. Not saying that this is the best solution - the iOS devices are currently better suited to audio - but location recording (in stereo) can be done.

I think the new MS Surfaces are due out soon, complete with an audio package. Not sure how that will work out, but it could be what you want, particularly if you're on Windows now.

The other option is to use a smartphone for everything else and get a nice compact recorder that's dedicated to teh task. Eg the Zoom H6 (6-track capture), or a larger dedicated recorder a la A+H ICE16 (though you'd need something with mic preamps for that...).

Personally, I'd be choosing a compact notebook with Windows and plenty of USB ports for dongles, interfaces etc, as this will make for a much more versatile solution IMO.
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby alexis » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:41 pm

I didn't realize till I just looked it up that essentially notebook=laptop nowadays.

So why not a laptop? Cost, concern that it will run Cubase properly, and it doesn't bring a new functionality into the house (I've got two laptops already). So, looking like a tablet, which because of latency issues, looks like it means an iPad (need to hear it live in the cans).

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Postby Exalted Wombat » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:14 pm

alexis wrote:

So why not a laptop? Cost, concern that it will run Cubase properly, and it doesn't bring a new functionality into the house (I've got two laptops already).

So why not use one of your laptops?
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Postby alexis » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:36 pm

Exalted Wombat wrote:
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So why not a laptop? Cost, concern that it will run Cubase properly, and it doesn't bring a new functionality into the house (I've got two laptops already).


So why not use one of your laptops?


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Postby Exalted Wombat » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:11 pm

A new laptop then. The utility models now come with an i3 or i5 processor, 8GB RAM, a 1TB hard drive... Plenty to run a DAW on, and a lot cheaper than a considerably less powerful iPad.

Or get something like a Zoom R - [whatever does the number of tracks you need]. Bring the result home for further processing on your main computer if required. They're great little track-capturing machines, a bit fiddly for editing and other manipulation. And they also plug into a computer as a multi-channel audio interface.
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Postby ef37a » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:55 am

alexis wrote:
Exalted Wombat wrote:
alexis wrote:

So why not a laptop? Cost, concern that it will run Cubase properly, and it doesn't bring a new functionality into the house (I've got two laptops already).

So why not use one of your laptops?

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2. They are work laptops, I have some leeway in what I do with them, but loading up DAW software is probably asking for a midnight visit from the IT ninjas.

You can run Reaper in "portable" mode from a usb stick.
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But then you are going to stuff the works lappie's hard drive with .wavs unless you dump them off after each session.

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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby alexis » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:27 pm

johnny h wrote:
alexis wrote:Title says it all!

Thanks -

It'll probably be a while. High end developers don't like Android because its users are lower in number, lower in income and lower in probability of paying for software.For audio developers its even worse - the audio system is very badly designed on Android and doesn't work with low latency audio.


Thank you everyone for your kind and helpful comments. Johnny h, that is especially helpful to know. It ties in w/ the fair amount I've read on the topic as well. It looks like the answer to the OP is "not for a while, still", pending anything new from MS Surface, as mentioned in a post above.

Expecting complete failure (based on the many many "minefield" comments and :headbang: icons on the stickied pc laptop thread), on a lark I tested the DPC on my personal, "non-audio" laptop. I was flabbergasted to see that it tested out acceptably. So, for the moment at least I'm going to hold on my search for a tablet, and look instead for an XP-compatible interface.

I've got a thread HERE asking for advice on a choice of an XP-compatible interface, if anyone wanted to contribute, it would be much appreciated. Thanks! :)
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Postby briandc » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:36 pm

I wonder why an Android tablet wouldn't work just fine, like these:

Majestic

As I'm running an complete audio set-up (DAW and all) on this laptop (and other older desktop PCs) using linux/GNU, I don't see why it would be a problem on an Android..

I'm really tempted to give it a shot-- especially since these types of tablets only cost about 100 dollars and many linux distros are plenty lightweight.


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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby damoore » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:49 pm

Linux and Android are two different OSs. A lot of work has been done to get good audio support on Linux while Android so far as I know has not had the same work put in.

Loading Linux is generally not hard to do. It's a question of driver support generally. You cannot expect your existing Windows software to work (or your Mac software for that matter) and while some commercial software is available for Linux (Pianoteq for example) it may not run on the chip in any given tablet. Some tablets run ARM processors while others run Intel processors and you cannot freely interchange software between the two processors.
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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby johnny h » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:06 pm

briandc wrote:I wonder why an Android tablet wouldn't work just fine, like these:

Majestic

As I'm running an complete audio set-up (DAW and all) on this laptop (and other older desktop PCs) using linux/GNU, I don't see why it would be a problem on an Android..

I'm really tempted to give it a shot-- especially since these types of tablets only cost about 100 dollars and many linux distros are plenty lightweight.


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Re: Anyone know how close we are to getting a non-Mac tablet with latency low enough for recording?

Postby Mixedup » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:28 am

johnny h wrote:Sod dongles, any software company that wants me to stick redundant bits of plastic on the side of my laptop can do one.

...and sod audio interfaces too, I suppose? :roll:
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