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Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby Random Guitarist » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:46 pm

I'm building up a strat at the moment and have decided it has to have a locking trem.
So looking at prices there seems to be three common options:

1. Floyd rose original - Approx £200+
2. Schaller licenced copy - Approx £150
3. Ebay licenced copy - Approx £40

I'm discounting the Ebay ones as I have my doubts about licencing and quality. (I'm pretty sure that at least a few of them are poor quality pirate copies made from 'steel' with the physical characteristics of plasticine)

I'm discounting the Floyd Rose one as the Schaller is cheaper, and I suspect every bit as well made.

Am I wrong? Are there other options I'm missing out on.

Opinions gratefully received.

Thanks, Grant.
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby . . . Delete This User . . . » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:55 pm

i have both schaller and original floyds... (and ibanez, and others)



personally, i find the Floyd original , (and mind , it is a real one.... ) is by far the best damn responsive , stable, delight to use of the lot of em.... seriously....


sounds good too!!!
in order of what i think the best playing trems are...

1 Floyd original (on a heartfield talon)
2 Lo Pro Ibanez floydie thing on my Jem, is next,
3 the schaller on my charvel...
4) later ibanez trem on my RG
5) other licensed trems on assorted guitars.
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby zenguitar » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:05 am

And I can assure you that our Welsh dragon really does know his Floyd Roses. Discounting the ones he's mentioned, he has set up 100's of them over the years.

If I was going the Floyd route, I would also opt for an Original. A fantastic piece of engineering.

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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby . . . Delete This User . . . » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:12 am

note, ( blushes , aww Andy..... )


i'm less keen on the floyd rose II ... they don;t last as long.... the knife edges wear faster....


also worthy of note, (but needs careful maintenance at all times)

Vigier did a version that used ball bearings instead of knife edges,... was rather good on the excalibur that passed thru my hands a few years ago...


Yamaha did a nice one many years ago , on their MSG and RGX custom/std models... likewise, not knife edges ... but a curved bearing surface.

(it also had an ingenious method of securing strings without cutting the ball ends off... )

Kahler trems were excellent, but again, higher in maintenance requirements, and MUCH harder to find parts for....
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby TheChorltonWheelie » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:56 am

RhinoTime wrote:1. Floyd rose original - Approx £200+
2. Schaller licenced copy - Approx £150
3. Ebay licenced copy - Approx £40

It's worth noting that the official Floyd Rose is still made my Schaller, and has been since the very late 1970's. Floyd couldn't manufacture nor guarantee the consistency of quality on his own built versions, that's why he approached Schaller to do it for him.

Don't waste your money on any licenced item, they make look like a Floyd but the quality of Schaller's casting techniques, and the materials they use, are far, far superior than anything that comes from the middle east. For the sake of £200, buy the best.
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby TheChorltonWheelie » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:01 am

Off duty BBQ lighter AKA Idris wrote:i'm less keen on the floyd rose II ... they don;t last as long.... the knife edges wear faster....

I'm not sure about that comment, I have Floyd's that are 20 years old that don't have that issue. I've just inspected the seats on my lo-pro Floyd on my HMT and there isn't any wear at all.

Having said that, it's a 5 minute job to re-profile the seats, something that any decent luthier would probably charge £10 for.
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby . . . Delete This User . . . » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:20 am

let's start with the fact that the original, REAL floyd rose, is NOT A CASTING.

it's machined from case hardened steel.


(and thus the price differential)

the baseplate of the FRII is deliberately made from softer material to affect the tone....


unfortunately that has side effects on the long term wear of a trem that actually gets used...
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby TheChorltonWheelie » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:57 am

Off duty BBQ lighter AKA Idris wrote:let's start with the fact that the original, REAL floyd rose, is NOT A CASTING.

The main body is machined, the parts that are normally associated with wear are cast, and it's Schaller's choice of materials and their casting process that sets them apart from the inferior licenced versions.
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby The Korff » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:05 am

Aren't Kahler back in business? I really liked the Spyder trem on my old HM Strat, dunno if they're still making them...
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby TheChorltonWheelie » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:56 am

Korff wrote:Aren't Kahler back in business? I really liked the Spyder trem on my old HM Strat, dunno if they're still making them...

Kahler have resurfaced, but they sold all of their spares to an ex-employee about 2-3 years ago, http://www.wammiworld.com/, so all legacy parts go through him. I seem to recall him telling me that he'd bought the tooling too, certainly on some of the small parts, but it has been a while since I spoke to him.
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby Dynamic Mike » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:43 am

Back in my Spandex Mullet dive-bombing days I loved the Washburn Wonderbar 2001. Flat mounted, bullet-proof and by far the easiest to fit & maintain for a non-pro. Some seem to fetch silly prices ($300+) on Ebay now, but worth looking out for if you haven't routed the body yet.
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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby Random Guitarist » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:13 pm

Thanks for all the comments.
On balance I think it's going to be the Schaller for me.

Thanks,

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Re: Hoping for advice on locking trems.

Postby TheChorltonWheelie » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:52 am

Dynamic Mike wrote:Back in my Spandex Mullet dive-bombing days

You mean those days have gone?!??!?! No one told me..............
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